FTP

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Preflop:
3 limpers 7 8 in the CO. (don't like to raise here with this many limpers in.) Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 7 handed (pot $7)

4 5 2

SB checks, BB leads for $7. (Read, he's got a set or 2 pair. I think 2 pair as I see him C/R a set here). Folded to me.

What's my line?

Edit for stacks: Me 120ish, BB 100, Button 150, SB 200.

Easy call. You have 12 outs with two cards to come, plus you have position on him.

it's not a push though. If calling's my line, I'm going to end up paying for the river too.

What kind of player is the bettor? Like you saidif you call here and miss you need to see the river as well to make this worth the while. Push will most likely be called for sure in which we are just a little behind to two pair and further behind a set. A raise is most likely getting reraised. Is this guy tight?? if so, will he just call a raise with two pair and maybe give you a free card??

What makes you think he has a 2 pair or that he will reraise.

As is I think this is just a call as I want people calling behind me to improve my equity and enlargethe pot.

Player is very TAG. I fully expect another large bet or a push if I raise here.

[quote=pokerplayer24]  

What kind of player is the bettor? Like you saidif you call here and miss you need to see the river as well to make this worth the while. Push will most likely be called for sure in which we are just a little behind to two pair and further behind a set. A raise is most likely getting reraised. Is this guy tight?? if so, will he just call a raise with two pair and maybe give you a free card??[/quote]

What makes you think he has a 2 pair or that he will reraise.

As is I think this is just a call as I want people calling behind me to improve my equity and enlargethe pot.[/quote]

My range for him given what I know is a made hand in this position. Therefore 2 pair or a set. he C/R a made str8.

He'll reraise me because I have been playing very LAG at this table. Another player at the table has commented about how I keep reraising everyone w/ ****. He'll be happy to get his chips in on this flop.

I think call may have to be the line here but I may think raise with more players behind me because I dont want a higher flush draw coming in. Then I am just chasing a gut shot against several players

[quote=Scott3705][quote=pokerplayer24]

What kind of player is the bettor? Like you saidif you call here and miss you need to see the river as well to make this worth the while. Push will most likely be called for sure in which we are just a little behind to two pair and further behind a set. A raise is most likely getting reraised. Is this guy tight?? if so, will he just call a raise with two pair and maybe give you a free card??[/quote]

What makes you think he has a 2 pair or that he will reraise.

As is I think this is just a call as I want people calling behind me to improve my equity and enlargethe pot.[/quote]

My range for him given what I know is a made hand in this position. Therefore 2 pair or a set. he C/R a made str8.

He'll reraise me because I have been playing very LAG at this table. Another player at the table has commented about how I keep reraising everyone w/ ****. He'll be happy to get his chips in on this flop.[/quote]

I think you just have to decide here if you want to get all your money in then. I probably wouldnt want to over a small pot but it is pretty much a coin flip if villian has two pair. We are slight underdog but very slight. Your aggressiveness may help you here. if you are reraising most pots and here you just call a raise, villian may be worried about you having a strong hand. Not to many options here but maybe a3 or a set to his 2 pair. Do you think he will pay you off if another club hits? he could also take the call as a flush draw.

This was one thought in my head too. I was very torn in this pot. Just the nature of the hand dictates I should be agressive. but i know if I get aggressive, I'm getting my chips in at a coin flip at best. This is kinda like the JJ hand I posted where I wanted to get a big draw to the turn before I dropped the hammer so that I was better than even money and getting a flop push. here though, another card will usually hurt me, but I'm still likely to get them all in here on the flop if I show any aggression. and like i said, I'm a coinflip at best.

I think he pays me to an extent if the flush hits. Others may pay me if I keep people in. If a 6 hits, I'm golden.

The six would be quite nice. I think you just have to call here and re0evaluate on the turn. If your read is correct a raise just gets all your money in the pot on a coinflip. A call gives you options on the turn depending on Villians bet.

Any thought that building a pot and allowing everyone else in would be good? If I get 2 callers, then I'm getting 4 to 1. one more caller 3 to 1. for the turn. If all my outs are clean, then i'm 4 and change to 1 to make my hand on the turn. and then I can add implied odds.

A lot of the value of pushing with the oesfd or gutshot fd is in the fold equity. If you don't think you have any fold equity here, then pushing shouldn't be an option. Plus, there has to be enough in the pot to make the play worthwhile for you. $14 isn't a huge chunk if most people have well over $100. I guess its close. I dunno, I like to think around 10% minimum.

Thats how I would look at it. I'd see the turn and reevalute.

Mark

This is an interesting hand, so thanks for posting it. I think we've heard a lot of good points about the hand from your perspective of holding the 7 8 , so if you'll humor me I'd like to consider the hand from the BB's perspective.

This flop has a lot of possibilities, so the chances are very high that someone will make a bet on the flop.
[list]Ax is a gutshot and two overs.
Two clubs is obviously a flush draw.
67 is open-ended.
An overpair looks good.
66 is an overpair and a gut shot.
Lots of connectors make a pair and a straight draw
and others[list]
With 7 limpers, it's hard to imagine 7 playable hands that are going to let this check around. To play this pot out of position, I think the BB probably needs a big hand. He may be putting out a feeler with something marginal (e.g., Q6o), but I doubt it. So assuming 2 pair or better, why not go for a check-raise on the flop? A possible reason is that he's hoping for a call and then a raise, and then he can reasonably go all-in. That's a good result for a set, but it's a fantastic result for a really huge draw (e.g., A:club: 2:club:) . (If the turn bricks, the draw is in a very awkward place if there are chips still to play.)

I'm going to play this hand on the flop, no doubt. But I'll note the BB reaction if the club hits.

Interesting.

I think our play is to call. The pot's small right now, and if we keep it that way, we may get away from our hand if we believe there's a higher flush draw out there(the button).

Did you think at the time the BB may have flopped the straight? I think I might be more inclined to procede aggressively if I could put him on a straight out of the BB as opposed to two pair or a set.

Err..it's online, eh. Whoops..well, keep that in mind for live play..heh.

If the button comes along, I'm probably not feeling too good about my hand unless a six comes--hopefully the 6 and the button wakes up with Ax .

Interesting hand though--I really don't like raising here. With 2 players still behind us and the BB, a TAG, betting out into all those limpers tells me something's up. I'd hate to re-raise and get pot stuck in a hand like this.

Good input. I raised on this hand. :oops:

the 15 second time bank just isn't enough time some times. I just raise for the sake of raising honestly. Got pushed back at and had to call. I didn't improve. meh. I was mocked for calling off all my chips on a draw though. :wink: .

don't know how it would have played out if i called. I decided afterwards with more thought that I believed calling was correct and I think that's most people's line here as well.

The good thing i took from this hand is that it's showing how strong my reads are getting online. I've been able to read well live, but until recently i've had a hard time really coming up with solid reads.

Villain had 4 5

Don't go broke in an unraised pot.

I'd probably just call, but would be leary of big clubs calling behind me. It's one reason that you should not play this kind of hand OOP.

I was in the CO. and only one person to act behind me on the flop ???? Do you mean this in general, or are you trying to say i was OOP here?

my mistake, but still don't go broke in an unraised pot.