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PoppinFresh
Just sat at the table, only player I've played with before is the button, he's not too important in the hand though.

Hero is bb with AJo. CO limps, button limps, sb raises, hero 3-bets...

Okay?
screech
Nope.

If they're limping in 6-max, they're probably going to call two cold. Now if you hit TP, you have no way to protect your hand because you've just built a huge pot.

Call sb's raise. Use your relative position to knock out the other players if you flop good.

I would 3-bet here if I thought the other 2 would fold. As is, I call.
PrtyPSux
QUOTE (screech)
Nope.

If they're limping in 6-max, they're probably going to call two cold.  Now if you hit TP, you have no way to protect your hand because you've just built a huge pot.

Call sb's raise.  Use your relative position to knock out the other players if you flop good.

I would 3-bet here if I thought the other 2 would fold.  As is, I call.


I still 3 bet. to gain position/info/ to make the blinds fold. bb calls w/ a lot of crappy hands in this situation. Plus there's always the posibility of one of the limpers folding.

Thats just me though, you might be right.
WestcoastCanuck
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I still 3 bet.  to gain position/info/ to make the blinds fold.  [b]bb calls w/ a lot of crappy hands in this situation[b].  Plus there's always the posibility of one of the limpers folding.  

Thats just me though, you might be right.


Hero is BB.

What the hell is SB raising with that we are ahead of? This isn't a button raise, SB usually has a strong hand here. I call and tread carefully on the flop.
Shimmering Wang
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Nope.

If they're limping in 6-max, they're probably going to call two cold.  Now if you hit TP, you have no way to protect your hand because you've just built a huge pot.

Call sb's raise.  Use your relative position to knock out the other players if you flop good.

I would 3-bet here if I thought the other 2 would fold.  As is, I call.


I still 3 bet. to gain position/info/ to make the blinds fold
. bb calls w/ a lot of crappy hands in this situation. Plus there's always the posibility of one of the limpers folding.

Thats just me though, you might be right.


The SB raised, and the BB (hero) 3-bet. Unless there's a weirdo SUPER blind hand somewhere, the blinds ain't going nowhere.

I like Screech's advice. I've been doing this more often from the BB when I figure I can make the field face two cold if I flop well
PrtyPSux
sorry,.. I miss read. thought hero was button.

yes, I call.
Abbaddabba
I dont like the rationale of keeping pots small so you can "protect" your hands later on.

Because of the SB's raise, you're able to 'protect' your hand preflop and you're knowingly foregoing that opportunity.

I would probably 3bet especially if everyone at the table was loose (and the sb had a highish pfr%).

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What the hell is SB raising with that we are ahead of? This isn't a button raise, SB usually has a strong hand here.


I dont know if that's necessarily true.

edit: i just realized that this is 5/10. so maybe my experience isnt all that helpful, but...

Time after time i find myself amazed at the kind of stuff that people will raise from the SB and BB with, even with several limpers. That's sort of read dependent i guess, but in general, i dont think that an SB raise means all that much.
screech
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I dont like the rationale of keeping pots small so you can "protect" your hands later on.


That's not the rationale at all.

It's to increase poor players poor postflop plays with a hand that doesn't rate to be all that much better then theirs pf. We get much more value out of this hand vs very bad players by limping. It's similar to teh concept of limping A-little hands when it's folded to you OTB against 2 loose/bad blinds.
Abbaddabba
I think that AJ does fare quite a bit better than their range preflop.

What are they open limping with from the co and button?

Raising a favorable flop just gets folds from hands that we probably want calling.

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It's similar to teh concept of limping A-little hands when it's folded to you OTB against 2 loose/bad blinds.


Do you actually do that?
WestcoastCanuck
The main reason I dont 3 bet here is because of the raise was from the SB (not to keep the pot small). With no reads at a 5-10 6 max table, you have to assume SB has a decent hand to raise here. We are way behind any big pair or big Ace. You do have position on SB, but you have to assume one of the limpers will call as well (negating, to an extent, our positional advantage). Why do we want to willingly pump more money into a pot when we are very likely behind the SB.
screech
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think that AJ does fare quite a bit better than their range preflop.


I thought this was the J9o hand. My mistake.

I limp here for reasons stated above. Yes our hand fares better than the limpers range, but it does not fare too well against the SB's range. Also, it is much easier to make our opponents make mistakes postflop if we call than if we try to exploit a small equity edge pf.

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Do you actually do that?


Sometimes.
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