I am mostly talking about 10/20 6 because I just started playing here, and I find it to be more table dependant than say, 3/6 6. Of course this may apply to just about any limit. But at 10/20 a 45 vpip player isnt necisarrily a donk.

Anyway what are profitable stats at this level?

I cant help but notice that most players are 34-43/16-22/1-2. At 3/6 and even at 5/10 a lot of these 43 vpip players are just reckless. At 10/20 there seems to be a method to their madness. I think, (and correct me if Im wrong here) that different styles can be profitable, ie. very tight or verry LAG. I also think that the most profit come from adjusting to your table.

I just want to make sure Im making the right adjustments to each table, as far as numbers go. Note- Im using numbers to instead of starting hands, and general strategy because we can all Identify w/ these #'s and to avoid a huuge post.

here are my usual stats at certain types of tables. I am posting the 3 most typical types of tables that I usually encounter at this level, and my adjustments to them :

In 40/20/3 - 60/20/2 ish tables I usually have stats like 19/16/3 or 25/19/3.5-4 ish depending on how im running. But basically I tighten up Alot and get very aggro post flop.


In tables that are 40/10/1- 60/13/.8 or numbers of that sort (loose passive). I usually show numbers like 25/16/3 to 31/20/3.


In 32/16/1 to 43/20/2 tables, my stats are usually 23/18/2 to 26/20/2.

I usually stay away from 28/20/2 - 32/22/2 tables.

Anyway, I just want to make sure Im making the right adjustments to the different types of tables.


thanks

BB/100 > 0

Maybe it's just me... but I honestly have no desire to try and beat the Party 10/20.

Soooooooo many 2+2'ers... I'm juuuuuuust fine working on my game to be able to beat 3/6.

You're probably not okay with that response though.

I think (at stakes lower than 10/20) the accepted wisdom is you don't wanna be going much farther away than 25-29% VP$IP, because 6-max is a lot closer to ring game than it is to 3-handed. If the VP$IP is significantly above 30, I think you're just trying to take too many hands to showdown or outplay people to be profitable.

I'm rebuilding my BR starting with 300 playing some 1/2 6 max. I just started using PT with GT+, and my VP%IP was around 40. Shrug.

Again, let me remind everyone that I haven't beaten anything but .50/1 party ring for more than 10k hands... So take me and my advice for what I'm worth... a somewhat recreational player who still posts here all the time.

This is a bad way to think IMO.

Yes, generally you will be at 25/29 VPIP when you beat the game. However this doesnt mean that there wont be games where you will need to be a 19 VP$IP and games where you will need to be a 32 VP$IP.

I believe that there should be a relation between your stats and your opponents stats, Im just not sure exactly what that relation should be. Its the same as the "play tight against the loose and a bit looser against the tight" rule, except having an exact range of numbers would be an easier way of keeping yourself in line acoording to the table you are at. Also this shouldnt be limited to VP$IP only, your AF and PFR% should also change at certain tables. I usually dont limp hands in short handed games, but I dont mind limping 89s in a 50/10/.8 game you know? There could also be a case for Raising 89s in a tighter game.

Ive been thinking about this ever since I started playing this limit, because I feel your table should dictate your play. I thought it could be worthy of discussion, especially by the math guys out there.

and as far as the whole 10/20 thing goes I have no problem going back down to 5/10 if my results warrant it. I feel good here so far, but my BR isnt at the point were Id be comfortable staying after a 200bb hit. So I'll see how it goes.

I agree with you about the table (and more specifically, the table being the sum of all the players) dictating how you should play.

I also applaud your efforts to quantify "if [the table], then we [approach X]."

I'm pretty sure I'm just underqualified to contribute, lol.