Edit: villian is 32/16/1.2

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Qs], [Qc].
Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) [8h], [6h], [Kc] (2 players)
BB bets, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) [7s] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) [2d] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

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No read?

I think I like folding the turn. His aggression factor isn't very high, so you likely aren't picking off a lot of bluffs or 2nd pair type hands.

I also don't think he'd donk the turn with a draw.

Kinda loose passive, he played it wierd I think. The game had just gotten 4 handed (from 6 handed) I didnt know wtf he was doing.

I hate these kinds of hands because you can look stupid a lot of the time either not getting full value from weaker hands or running into the nuts. The donk bet can mean different things for different players, for some it means they're weak but want you to fold and for others they slowplayed a set on the flop and are hoping to get raised or they just hit their 2 pair on the turn and don't want you to check behind. It could also mean a draw and a pair or something like that.

As far as what to do, I don't know it's really read dependent on hands like this, folding the best hand really sucks in this spot, but having to pay off when your beat equally sucks. I'd put into consideration it being 4 handed though and I like raising the turn and checking the river if called, because you'll get full value out of the drawing hands and 2nd pair hands while getting a free showdown. So, overall I like the raise/fold line and check for free showdown on the river UI. Calling down is not too bad either and folding is probably an option with a read.

You have middle pair on the turn and are led into.

You nitced that, right?

good luck.

why raise the flop? You don't really need to protect your hand. Granted I'm playing .50/1 but I think maybe just play nice and passive and call down the whole way? (wa/wb?)

You're so trusting smash.

I call down here because I see a lot of turn bets here from hands that want to get away cheaply, or want to show down cheaply. Raising is pointless because it will often drive the weaker hands away and may make you pay more when you're behind. It's close, and I don't think you lose much either way. Calling down will give you a better read on your opponent for future situations.

OTOH, a board like KJ25 would be a much easier call down. Less 2 pair hands, and more likely that he leads this turn with 2nd pair.

I can't see any pair folding on this board if they donk bet the turn into you. I guess with no read, I probably would just call this down too for the information. Very often in situations like this against a donk, it's usually going to be a flush draw and a pair or a pair and a straight draw.

It's close, and I don't think you lose much either way. Calling down will give you a better read on your opponent for future situations.


That he leads the turn with TP?

That'll be usefull.

good luck.

I think the turn is a fold. This is often how I'll play a very strong hand like a set or two pair, hoping you'll raise the turn so I can get in a 3-bet.

After you raised the flop, if he c/r's the turn or leads back into you I can't see calling it down unless he's shown me he's a total donkey.

Jeff

I call down. This can often be something like 98 97 96 etc. To think this is always a K is a mistake. We're getting 3:1 on our call down so I dont mind calling down here especially with this being 4 handed.

We're getting 3:1 on our call down so I dont mind calling down here especially with this being 4 handed.

So you think we're ahead, more than 30% of the time here?

Seriously?

good luck.

flop - call

turn - call

river - call

you lose the min. when he has a K and you don't stop him from bluffing/semi-bluffing when you have him beat.

That he leads the turn with 2nd pair will be very useful.

But yeah, I see what you're saying. We probably won't win enough to justify it given the board texture.

Smash, can you give an example as to when (if ever) you would call down with QQ on a king high board against this opponent.

flop - call

turn - call

river - call

I think I've seen this system before. Same thing with unimproved AK, right?

general forum is that way ----------->