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theredpill99
Authorities think that the boyfriend knows something because he took off running and let the woman fend for herself but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" . They think he knows something because the gunman only shot him once in the butt. He may know something but just because he ran away doesn't mean much in my opinion.
Petoria
If he didnt get shot at all, then maybe he knows something, but he took a cap to the ass. I mean, just cause he's a coward doesnt mean he's a murderer.


I agree though, what is he supposed to do? Throw himself in the way of the bullets to protect his girlfriend. I dont think so. I sure as hell wouldnt. Why was the woman driving anyway? That seems strange. If the woman was in the passenger's seat, then the boyfriend knows something. I dont think a carjacker is supposed to make his move from the passenger's side, when there's already somebody sitting there.
theredpill99
I think I'd have sex with about 85 % of the Fox News female reporters. Man, they got the hottest reporters there. It's unreal.
Petoria
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I think I'd have sex with about 85 % of the Fox News female reporters. Man, they got the hottest reporters there. It's unreal.


Definitely Laurie Dew(sp?), but Greta Van Sustern? I dont know about that one.
theredpill99
Jamie Colby was on tonight. I think it was Jamie. Not sure. The girl that does "The Lineup" , I would do her. I can't figure out who the girl is because when I looked up who does "The Lineup" the girl's picture didn't really match. She looks really hot on television if that is really her. Or maybe she got a nose job.

Yeah, I wouldn't do Greta and I hope they get rid of her. I think getting her was a mistake.

There is a sassy chick that's usually on the mornings on the weekends that I also wouldn't do just because of her mouth and how smart alec she is.
DrawingDeadInDM
Redpill..I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that you have/had unhealthy relationships with women in your life.

Honestly? If you're not going to at least attempt to protect you're unborn child in some manner, you are the lowest form of life..Seriously.
theresa113
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Redpill..I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that you have/had unhealthy relationships with women in your life.

Honestly? If you're not going to at least attempt to protect you're unborn child in some manner, you are the lowest form of life..Seriously.


Agreed.

I would never expect anyone to risk their life for me, but children are a different story. I would without second thought, do anything to protect my son. I would gladly give up my life for his safety and protection. I think true maternal or paternal instincts is to protect your kids at all cost.
mbreon
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .


After saying something like that, you are without a doubt the biggest scumbag on this site. Your worthlessness knows no bounds.
76clubs
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone
Petoria
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?
76clubs
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation
Petoria
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation


Neither have I, but society will typically depict the "runner" as a weak coward when, in fact, he's just looking out for number one. Over time, the "runner" will survive longer and be evolutionarily superior. Since the "hero" is going to die a significant amount of the time, eventually, all "heroes" will be dead leaving only "runners". Survival of the fittest, as they say. :-)
DrawingDeadInDM
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation


Neither have I, but society will typically depict the "runner" as a weak coward when, in fact, he's just looking out for number one. Over time, the "runner" will survive longer and be evolutionarily superior. Since the "hero" is going to die a significant amount of the time, eventually, all "heroes" will be dead leaving only "runners". Survival of the fittest, as they say. :-)


Better to live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.
Petoria
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation


Neither have I, but society will typically depict the "runner" as a weak coward when, in fact, he's just looking out for number one. Over time, the "runner" will survive longer and be evolutionarily superior. Since the "hero" is going to die a significant amount of the time, eventually, all "heroes" will be dead leaving only "runners". Survival of the fittest, as they say. :-)


Better to live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.


I've got one

"Live and let die"
DrawingDeadInDM
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation


Neither have I, but society will typically depict the "runner" as a weak coward when, in fact, he's just looking out for number one. Over time, the "runner" will survive longer and be evolutionarily superior. Since the "hero" is going to die a significant amount of the time, eventually, all "heroes" will be dead leaving only "runners". Survival of the fittest, as they say. :-)


Better to live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.


I've got one

"Live and let die"


The fact that you wouldn't even consider trying to save your girlfriend or unborn child has made your opinions, present and future, of absolutely no consequence to me--in fact, it's downright nauseating to me.
76clubs
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation


Neither have I, but society will typically depict the "runner" as a weak coward when, in fact, he's just looking out for number one. Over time, the "runner" will survive longer and be evolutionarily superior. Since the "hero" is going to die a significant amount of the time, eventually, all "heroes" will be dead leaving only "runners". Survival of the fittest, as they say. :-)


Better to live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.


I've got one

"Live and let die"


The fact that you wouldn't even consider trying to save your girlfriend or unborn child has made your opinions, present and future, of absolutely no consequence to me--in fact, it's downright nauseating to me.


me too
Petoria
but there's nothing you can do. You're in a car, and a guy is shooting him up. Given: we dont know the exact details of the situation, but if some guy comes up and starts shooting up the car, I'm getting the hell out of there. What exactly is one supposed to do? I'd obviously be happier if she was alive, but in a closed environment such as this, I have to move.
Shimmering Wang
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I was in NYC and got lost with my girlfriend of the time. I was 20, and we were wandering around going to bars. We were pretty drunk, and ended up in a bad part of town. 3 guys jumped out, mugged us. One of them said something indicating an unhealthy interest in my girlfriend, so I threw her as far away as I could, and just jumped into the three of them. They didn't have any weapons, and I just got roughed up pretty bad after they took the 200 bucks I had on me. The woman got away safe, and called the cops. She was smart enough to have them bring an ambulance for good measure

If my girlfriend had been pregnant I KNOW I would've done the same if they'd had 2 knives and a bazooka trained on me. I didn't even think about it. It was just an instinctual thing.

I don't think I can judge people for not protecting their respective girlfriends, but at the time I was deeply in love with mine. I WILL judge you if you suggest you'd leave someone you love to fend for herself, or be unwilling to sacrifice your own life to save your unborn child and someone you love.

Redpill, I know you get off on the attention you get here, but you're a really really sick fuck, man. A pregnant woman gets shot 11 times, and you refer to her as "bitch?" That's inhuman.

And Petoria: I expect this from Redpill, but not you

Wang
76clubs
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I was in NYC and got lost with my girlfriend of the time. I was 20, and we were wandering around going to bars. We were pretty drunk, and ended up in a bad part of town. 3 guys jumped out, mugged us. One of them said something indicating an unhealthy interest in my girlfriend, so I threw her as far away as I could, and just jumped into the three of them. They didn't have any weapons, and I just got roughed up pretty bad after they took the 200 bucks I had on me. The woman got away safe, and called the cops. She was smart enough to have them bring an ambulance for good measure

If my girlfriend had been pregnant I KNOW I would've done the same if they'd had 2 knives and a bazooka trained on me. I didn't even think about it. It was just an instinctual thing.

I don't think I can judge people for not protecting their respective girlfriends, but at the time I was deeply in love with mine. I WILL judge you if you suggest you'd leave someone you love to fend for herself, or be unwilling to sacrifice your own life to save your unborn child and someone you love.

Redpill, I know you get off on the attention you get here, but you're a really really sick censored, man. A pregnant woman gets shot 11 times, and you refer to her as "bitch?" That's inhuman.

And Petoria: I expect this from Redpill, but not you

Wang


thats heroic what you did for your gf dude. i completely agree with you
Shimmering Wang
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thats heroic what you did for your gf dude. i completely agree with you


No, it would have been if I'd thought about it and decided to risk my body for her. But I just did it before I could even get scared. And I ended up curled in the fetal position getting kicked around, begging for mercy.

Yeah, I'm a tough guy.
76clubs
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thats heroic what you did for your gf dude. i completely agree with you


No, it would have been if I'd thought about it and decided to risk my body for her. But I just did it before I could even get scared. And I ended up curled in the fetal position getting kicked around, begging for mercy.

Yeah, I'm a tough guy.


lol

at least your honest i guess....
DrawingDeadInDM
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thats heroic what you did for your gf dude. i completely agree with you


No, it would have been if I'd thought about it and decided to risk my body for her. But I just did it before I could even get scared. And I ended up curled in the fetal position getting kicked around, begging for mercy.

Yeah, I'm a tough guy.


Hey, that's more than at least two posters on this forum would've done.
Petoria
Ok, theres a difference between taking on 3 unarmed people and a guy coming up to the car with a gun and firing on you. Very brave of you, but I dont think the situation is the same. I'd rather be a living coward, than a dead hero. Those are my thoughts on the situation.
princeof56k
Yea you should try and save your pregnant girlfriend and the vast majority of people would react the same way.

Strangely a lot of criminals already know this and is one of the biggest reasons a lot criminals avoid robbing families when the families are home (I was watching some special years ago and I remember some cons talking about this). They said you can never tell what man or woman frightened for there kids might do. The criminals were actually afraid for THEIR lives.

Even in the cruel world of mother-nature, most predators avoid mothers and their young. They're scared for the same reasons. It should be a natural instinct to protect you family (regardless of the odds).
DrawingDeadInDM
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Ok, theres a difference between taking on 3 unarmed people and a guy coming up to the car with a gun and firing on you. Very brave of you, but I dont think the situation is the same. I'd rather be a living coward, than a dead hero. Those are my thoughts on the situation.


With a dead girlfriend and an unborn child you never knew? You could honestly live knowing that you ran?

I don't know if that makes you beter than me, but there's the difference between the two of us.
Petoria
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Ok, theres a difference between taking on 3 unarmed people and a guy coming up to the car with a gun and firing on you. Very brave of you, but I dont think the situation is the same. I'd rather be a living coward, than a dead hero. Those are my thoughts on the situation.


With a dead girlfriend and an unborn child you never knew? You could honestly live knowing that you ran?

I don't know if that makes you beter than me, but there's the difference between the two of us.



There probably is bc I pretty much only care about myself. How does that Dennis Leary song go? "I'm an a$$#0le"

Again, I'd rather be living than dead especially when theres probably nothing I couldve done. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.
Shimmering Wang
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There probably is bc I pretty much only care about myself. How does that Dennis Leary song go? "I'm an a$$#0le"

Again, I'd rather be living than dead especially when theres probably nothing I couldve done. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.


Petoria = great guy

What do you live for? I mean, are you a PURE hedonist? how on Earth can anyone ever care about you? Have you ever cared about someone else?

You, my friend, are sad
DrawingDeadInDM
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Ok, theres a difference between taking on 3 unarmed people and a guy coming up to the car with a gun and firing on you. Very brave of you, but I dont think the situation is the same. I'd rather be a living coward, than a dead hero. Those are my thoughts on the situation.


With a dead girlfriend and an unborn child you never knew? You could honestly live knowing that you ran?

I don't know if that makes you beter than me, but there's the difference between the two of us.



There probably is bc I pretty much only care about myself. How does that Dennis Leary song go? "I'm an a$$#0le"

Again, I'd rather be living than dead especially when theres probably nothing I couldve done. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.


Then..so be it.
zimmer4141
I think this depends on the situation. If he put a gun to my pregnant girlfriend's head, I would sure as hell try to stop him. However, if we come to a stop and he just starts shooting for no apparent reason, I think my instincts would tell me to find cover first. It is all situational of course, but if some guy is shooting at us, I don't think there's much I can do to him as long as he still has bullets.
Petoria
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I think this depends on the situation. If he put a gun to my pregnant girlfriend's head, I would sure as hell try to stop him. However, if we come to a stop and he just starts shooting for no apparent reason, I think my instincts would tell me to find cover first. It is all situational of course, but if some guy is shooting at us, I don't think there's much I can do to him as long as he still has bullets.


That's mostly my point. You cant defend against random acts of violence. That's terrorism. If you see the guy coming then I'm going to do whatever I can to protect as many people as possible, but I just don't see myself risking my life. If I'm in a closed environment like a car and we're parked and he starts firing, I'm getting out.

There's no way you can save anybody.
theredpill99
Shimmering,

So you throw yourself in front of 3 guys to save your girlfriend, you get your ass beat and she runs away. You lose 200. You have to go to the hospital. The next day when you get out of the hospital, she tells you how much of a man she is and how she demands equal pay and wants to make like $100,000 as a secretary and doesn't believe secretaries deserve less pay than doctors or some stupid shit like that. She tells you how much of a man she is, is the point I'm making.

Then a few months later, you guys get married, then a few months after that you get divorced and suddenly your 60K /year job is now 30K/year because she is taking half. Still feel good about throwing yourself in front of those guys to save her? If so, you're a sucker.
DrawingDeadInDM
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Shimmering,

So you throw yourself in front of 3 guys to save your girlfriend, you get your ass beat and she runs away. You lose 200. You have to go to the hospital. The next day when you get out of the hospital, she tells you how much of a man she is and how she demands equal pay and wants to make like $100,000 as a secretary and doesn't believe secretaries deserve less pay than doctors or some stupid shit like that. She tells you how much of a man she is, is the point I'm making.

Then a few months later, you guys get married, then a few months after that you get divorced and suddenly your 60K /year job is now 30K/year because she is taking half. Still feel good about throwing yourself in front of those guys to save her? If so, you're a sucker.


You know, I used to think you were funny. I thought all of this was some kind of big joke, that you just did for your own amusement.

I can even give Petoria the benefit of the doubt--that he's still a decent person. But, you, you really are a pathetic, putrid human being.

And I really thought your blog, and your posts were just a big joke.

It's becoming painfully clear, though, that you really have some serious problems. I don't know if you weren't hugged enough, or you were abused, or molested, or whatever. But your bitterness towards women as a whole is disgusting and your attitude about this situation in of itself is frighteningly serious.

It's no wonder that you're alone in your mother's basement shoving 6,000 calories a day into your mouth. You'll die a lonely, pathetic, person if you don't get some serious help--and I mean that, get some help.
Shimmering Wang
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Shimmering,

So you throw yourself in front of 3 guys to save your girlfriend, you get your ass beat and she runs away. You lose 200. You have to go to the hospital. The next day when you get out of the hospital, she tells you how much of a man she is and how she demands equal pay and wants to make like $100,000 as a secretary and doesn't believe secretaries deserve less pay than doctors or some stupid shit like that. She tells you how much of a man she is, is the point I'm making.

Then a few months later, you guys get married, then a few months after that you get divorced and suddenly your 60K /year job is now 30K/year because she is taking half. Still feel good about throwing yourself in front of those guys to save her? If so, you're a sucker.


No, I don't think you get it.

I'd do the same if it were my little brother. Hell, I think I'd do the same if it were a close female friend, or a buddy with a broken leg.

ANYBODY I care about and feel protective of, I'm willing to protect, at pain to myself. If that person turns around and screws me over at a later date, I won't regret that I stood up for him or her. Why would I? I'd rather be guilty of loving someone mistakenly than letting someone I love get hurt when there was a chance I could have protected him/her.

You're a fool for suggesting ignoring the plight of ALL women because of the feminist movement. That's like saying "Why would I help a nigger? Remember the Watts riots?" You might think men are often treated unfairly in the public sphere, and I respect your right to argue that; I don't, however, respect that instead of doing something about it- like educating yourself and presenting a valid point- you instead decide that the application of common decency absolutely doesn't apply to ANY woman

And no woman I know thinks secretaries deserve the same pay as doctors; they just think a male secretary and a female secretary should make the same amount, even if one's significantly more likely to take maternity leave.

If you want to have this argument, get smart about it. There's plenty of literature that supports the points I THINK you're trying to make. But, uh, randomly making up misogynistic shit only makes you look like an idiot.

WangMan out
allinbluff35
pill is a 29 year old worthless fucktard who still lives with his parents.
NortonFan
I honestly can't believe this is being debated. I now know the purpose behind yelling rape instead of help.
Petoria
I get it, redpill hates women. Yeah, that's definitely not what I was getting at.

In a car, where you cant save anyone from being shot at, I'm going to get the hell out and call the cops and an ambulance. I dont hate women.
theredpill99
No, I like black people. I just have a problem with women because frankly I haven't met too many that are any good.

Most have one idea in mind and that is to F' you over in some way. If I met a black person that was bad, he lets me know he's bad upfront and that's fine. Women try to act like angels but deep down , they are nothing but devils. Those are the worst kind of human being.

I just got a real problem with people who like you based on what others think of you and not for who you are. In high school, I was popular for maybe a few weeks, I won't say why but all of a sudden all of these hot girls started coming around me and wanted to be with me. They didn't give a crap about me just a month ago but now that person A and person B and person C all like me and think I'm cool, all of a sudden girls are practically fighting over me. That messed my mind up. I was the same guy but just because I did something that got recognition or someone decided I was cool, now every chicks wants me.

So what happens if you strike it rich and get a great job and are making 200K/year but then you lose your job and you get cancer, where are those women at that point? They are gone. I've learned that only people who really matter much to me are family. But I'll trust and respect a man way before I do a woman.

I think it's instinctual. They are taught to keep moving on to the next best thing because that is how humanity survives. Human beings wouldn't survive unless women chose a male that could do well in society. And if that guy happens to fail, she moves on to the next one and so on and so on.

If I had a woman, I wouldn't care if she was a failure. As long as she was nice to me and somewhat attractive. So if women are going to be flighty about me and men as a whole, then I'll treat them the same way. You guys are just living in an illusion. You are letting that body confuse you and that is exactly what God wanted.
Suited_Up
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No, I like black people. I just have a problem with women because frankly I haven't met too many that are any good.

Most have one idea in mind and that is to F' you over in some way. If I met a black person that was bad, he lets me know he's bad upfront and that's fine. Women try to act like angels but deep down , they are nothing but devils. Those are the worst kind of human being.

I just got a real problem with people who like you based on what others think of you and not for who you are. In high school, I was popular for maybe a few weeks, I won't say why but all of a sudden all of these hot girls started coming around me and wanted to be with me. They didn't give a crap about me just a month ago but now that person A and person B and person C all like me and think I'm cool, all of a sudden girls are practically fighting over me. That messed my mind up. I was the same guy but just because I did something that got recognition or someone decided I was cool, now every chicks wants me.

So what happens if you strike it rich and get a great job and are making 200K/year but then you lose your job and you get cancer, where are those women at that point? They are gone. I've learned that only people who really matter much to me are family. But I'll trust and respect a man way before I do a woman.

I think it's instinctual. They are taught to keep moving on to the next best thing because that is how humanity survives. Human beings wouldn't survive unless women chose a male that could do well in society. And if that guy happens to fail, she moves on to the next one and so on and so on.

If I had a woman, I wouldn't care if she was a failure. As long as she was nice to me and somewhat attractive. So if women are going to be flighty about me and men as a whole, then I'll treat them the same way. You guys are just living in an illusion. You are letting that body confuse you and that is exactly what God wanted.


Hey Champ... You are just Precious!
DrawingDeadInDM
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Hey Champ... You are just Precious!


Kurt's right.

Some people don't get it on their first try.
Suited_Up
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Hey Champ... You are just Precious!


Kurt's right.

Some people don't get it on their first try.


But give him a pat on the head. He deserves it.




tooo fun.
matthew r
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I think I'd have sex with about 85 % of the Fox News female reporters. Man, they got the hottest reporters there. It's unreal.


its because theyve been genetically engineered in secret underground na.zi labs

you should write a blog entry about it
CrackofmyACE_FTP
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but I can tell you that if I was in the car with my pregnant girlfriend, I would have said, "bitch, you're on your own, I'm outta here !!" .



and thats why the redpill is alone


Seriously though, can you say that you'd save her? or attempt to?


I honestly do not know, since i have never knocked a girl up, and i have never been faced with a similar situation


Neither have I, but society will typically depict the "runner" as a weak coward when, in fact, he's just looking out for number one. Over time, the "runner" will survive longer and be evolutionarily superior. Since the "hero" is going to die a significant amount of the time, eventually, all "heroes" will be dead leaving only "runners". Survival of the fittest, as they say. :-)


Better to live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.


I think I'll go climb a mountain or something now
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