Hand #10730416-9 at SnG-0003f (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 02/Jan/06 22:02:27

monkeyman1968 is at seat 0 with 1725.
nisakat2 is at seat 1 with 1540.
con90 is at seat 2 with 1490.
dal80521 is at seat 3 with 1275.
tracerelli is at seat 4 with 1520.
Lo6 is at seat 5 with 1650.
littlelucky is at seat 6 with 1440.
La Pajarita is at seat 7 with 1470.
socialeyes is at seat 8 with 1540.
orangine is at seat 9 with 1350.
The button is at seat 7.

socialeyes posts the small blind of 10.
orangine posts the big blind of 20.

monkeyman1968: Kh Kd
nisakat2: -- --
con90: -- --
dal80521: -- --
tracerelli: -- --
Lo6: -- --
littlelucky: -- --
La Pajarita: -- --
socialeyes: -- --
orangine: -- --

Pre-flop:

monkeyman1968 raises to 50. nisakat2 folds. con90
folds. dal80521 folds. tracerelli folds. Lo6
folds. littlelucky folds. La Pajarita folds.
socialeyes re-raises to 80. orangine folds.
monkeyman1968 re-raises to 125. socialeyes re-raises
to 170. monkeyman1968 calls.

Flop (board: Qc Th 5c):

socialeyes bets 20. monkeyman1968 calls.

Turn (board: Qc Th 5c 3d):

socialeyes bets 20. monkeyman1968 calls.

River (board: Qc Th 5c 3d Jd):

socialeyes bets 20. monkeyman1968 calls.

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Early in a sit n go and I have absolutely no read on socialeyes. Did I play it okay?

sorry Keith, move this for me will ya. Thanks!

no.

id like to hear your reasoning behind why you're playing KK so weakly preflop, and calling down minbets postflop.

horrid.

re-raise him preflop again. raise flop all in if you aren't all in preflop.

- Jordan

Yeah, that was terrible. By the fourth time he shows weakness, I'd think you'd figure out that he's actually WEAK!

Not reraising PF is really weak-tight unless you know from experience that player will only make that reraise with AA.

I really can't comprehend why you never raise post-flop though. Do you really think he'll min-bet three streets in a row with AA or better?

*NOTE* I originally said I was on the button when I was UTG. :oops:

Usually I play KK aggressively but lately I've been a little more cautious with it especially on UB. I raised preflop and was re-raised. Socialeyes re-raised and I re-raised again. Socialeyes re-raised AGAIN! When this went down preflop I was immediately thinking AA.

He continued to min bet so I called hoping one of two things would happen...

1. He didn't have AA and my kings were good.
2. I would catch another king.

I was actually quite pleased when he flipped over AA and I was still in the game.

I went on to win it by the way!

good results oriented thinking
thanks for the brag post
because you did not go broke this hand, you suck
top pair mason malmuth

Yeah, re-raise, re-raise, re-raise, re-raise; what did you put him on? AJ? Don't be bitter! You've obviously never played on UB much had KK beaten repeatedly by AA.

i mean, for him to reraise your strong initial raise to 50 (2.5x the BB!!!)
he had to have JJ-AA. when you minraised him back and he minraised you back -- you knew he had kings or aces up then. Hell, each of you invested something like 9BB each in the pot. "whoa nelly"

your post flop play, beautiful, a flush draw and a straight draw out there with your overpair, lets just call the minbet and give him a chance to catch up if he's losing.

just muck face up next time when he minraises to 80 preflop
and say "shazaam!"

i think u should stop playing kings preflop its detrimental to ur game

minraised? :?

Did you even read the hand or do you just have an auto response you use?

This is not how I would usually play KK, but like I said, the way the betting went down preflop and the fact that UB seems to deal out KK and AA on the same hand more than usual made me suspicious. If he pushes all-in right away instead of the re-raise/re-raise crap I probably call.

I didn't think HE was losing!

RESPONSE #47


You're a funny guy chief. Do you always play kings the same regardless of how your opponents play back at you? Don't be bitter just because you'd bust out here 99.9% of the time.

i dont know what to say, you were scared of aces after being beaten repeatedly by them vs kings, you wake up to kings, and opponent shows aces on the river which only reinforces the poor line you're taking here

your read was -- ultimate bet is rigged?

I'm not trying to be funny but I am completely lost.....



....is this thread a joke?

Look. you admit you have no reads. the best way to play KK preflop when you have no read, is re-raise all in preflop if he opens the door for you to do so.

this is the correct play about 95% of the time with no reads. maybe even 100%. if he has AA oh boo hoo.

when he re-raised to 80, you should have raised to about 250 or 300 straight. if he would have pushed I'd have insta called and dealt with it.

most of the time you win a big pot here. this is one of the few times where your opponent is an absolute idiot and min bets AA on every street. this is not your "skill" in reading your opponent. if you knew he had AA you should have folded to his bet on the river.

so you ask, how did you play it? Horrible. that's a fact.

everyone here is trying to help. get the wax outta your ears.

- Jordan

that was my initial reaction
you can't be too sure

You're supposed to go bust here 99.9% of the time.

I think this hand was played poorly but I dont think that you necessarily have to go bust every time you have KK vs AA. It's going to happen a lot but look at this particular board. After the raising and rerasing pf villian can teally only have a couple of specific hands.

AA
KK
QQ
JJ
AK

I'd be worried about QQ after the flop so we're only ahead of AK and JJ. Still palyed it WAAAY too passively for my taste.


Raise to 80 pre flop and re re raise him after he raises you

Okay, here's the real deal. This wasn't a joke, but it was posted with tongue in cheek.

I know how to play pocket kings. Usually I do end up all-in preflop here and if not preflop, definitely on that flop. I do see the straight draw and the club flush draw. The thing is however, I play at these low limits not because of lack of talent but because of lack of disposable income. My theory is that if you can't afford to lose it, don't gamble with it. I see so many people play aces the way this guy did that it truly is unbelievable. Why people try to trap with AA in a tourney or sit n go is beyond me. I hear it's okay in ring games though. Anyway, with the way this guy played this hand preflop, I was 99% sure he had AA. Then why not lay my KK down? The guy was min-betting and I was willing to chase the K because I knew I would bust him if I did. If I could see my opponents cards, I would probably have played the hand the same. My opponent is the one who made mistakes here and I think Sklansky would agree! :wink:

Seriously guys, it truly is amazing how most players at these limits play AA.

For the record, I ended up having KK twice more in the game and ended up all-in preflop both times. Once I was against QQ and the other time I was against AK. I won both hands.

Thanks for the input and try to keep answers and advice friendly. We don't want to deter people from posting here. We need more posters in strat!

gg
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