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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T:diamond:, T:spade:.
Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) J:spade:, K:heart:, K:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 9:diamond: (2 players)
Hero...

Don't raise flop right?

I'm not crazy about the OOP cap.

TT isn't looking swell against most 3-betting ranges... and I think you're setting yourself up for disaster if you do anything but check/fold the turn.

My natural instinct is to say lead the turn.

Then I read TJ's reply. What he says makes a lot of sense. Presume the average opponent as a 3-betting range of, say, AJs-AK, TT-AA. Except for an AQ or another TT, anything else he'd 3-bet with has you destroyed on this flop.

Just because I probably still lead the turn (Because I'm hyper-aggressive), doesn't mean it's the correct play.

i cap oop because of the fold equity I think I gain.

If he three-bets with AQ and ony a K or a jack comes up then I can take down the pot alotta of the time.

If he's a decent opponent with AK and a Q high flop comes out then he might even fold AK assuming his ace outs are dirty.

The cap preflop isn't what i'm too worried about. Is bet/folding this flop ok?
And once he calls the flop am i check/folding the turn? Bet/fold again?

I don't think so. A lot of worse hands might raise the flop just 'cuz, and for capping preflop now the pot's bigger and folding when we're wrong sucks more.

For a flop cap, bet/folding should be one of the last things on our minds, in a general sort of way.

...Hence returning us to the problem of capping the flop OOP with TT... and what the hell to do when one or two broadway cards flop.

I lead turn and call a raise.
You have a gut shot.
Then I c/f river UI.

Had you just called the flop 3-bet, I'd c/r this flop....

Edit: I don't c/f river UI necessarily..depends on Turn action ann cards..this was too hasty of a comment...

For his 3-bet preflop...

What hands are we ahead of...

...And how often are we outplaying better hands? QQ folds maybe, AA folds less than maybe but sometimes... and AQ, 99, and 88 are giving him the bottom end of a normal tight aggressive raising range... which is too much credit sometimes.

bet

I dont get it. If you cap preflop, then he peels a turn with any 2 overcards since the pot is pumped up, and he has 6 outs to top pair. The more bets in preflop, the better odds he'll have on the flop call. You have more fold equity (IMO) by just calling the 3-bet unless you have a good "weak-tight" read on the villain.

I think most .50/1 players will be apt fold to continued agression instead of being inclined to call because the pot is bigger. There's no data behind that theory, but in my experience people are more likely to fold to alotta of agression throughout the hand then to just agression on the flop.

Furthemore, I capped preflop because I was trying to shut out MP2. <-- Now that i think back about the hand, this was the main reason for the preflop cap. Unless i'm up against an overpair my equity shoots up to around 55% when i can shut out MP2.

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mp2 called 2 cold once, why would he fold for 2 more?

just asking.

mp2 called 2 cold once, why would he fold for 2 more?


good point, but as played does anyone just check/fold the flop?

omg.... I sure hope not

I want to lead the turn. If he has the nuts and is letting you bet for him, the turn is where he will jump out of his skin and raise. If he calls, he's not leaving you with much choice. If he's got you beat he should be raising it. If you check he will undoubtedly bet.

I bet first and see what happens. If he calls you might still be sitting good because you would expect someone holding the case card to be betting out. Maybe he has a Jack and will call all the way, maybe he started with AQ and is drawing dead to your T...I would stay in control if he's letting you.

he flopped trips or a boat. bail out. and pocket aces is NEVER folded here by the guy.

so everyone still thinks the biggest mistake i made in the hand was capping oop?

My flop was fine?

And how close is c/f, and betting the turn?

If i lead the turn and he calls the turn, on the river do I check/call UI, or bet out and see if he folds for one more on the river?

I feel so gullible.

You are kidding right?

good.

what was the result?

If you're around back capping pre-flop is right, but up front I think it's terrible. All we can hope for is flopping to a set. Aside from that we're likely beat, and we've given up an extra bet for nothing.

If an AKQ or J comes on the flop we've got to fold or play very gingerly. If it comes 9-high and we're raised we've got to fold. I just can't see any upside to capping this hand out of position.

The way some of y'all talk about this hand, I wonder if we shoudn't just fodl preflop.

I mean, TT, can lose to so many hands.
We were 3-bet, we must be waay behind.

Maybe I play with too many players who 3-bet with A7 off.

Bet the turn, if he raises I fold. If he calls and has the hand he trapped himself trying to get extra bets on the river. So check call the river seeing as how you know at this point, if you see the river you would be willing to go one bet, he bets it you call it, he checks after you whether you win the pot or lose the pot, you still made out the best you could in a tough decision.

I bet the turn

River was a blank. I tried to take a stab it just to see if he might lay down QQ or something. (probably a mistake)

Villian calls and flips over AJ to take it down.

It was frustrating because with him playing it soo passively I couldn't really get away from the hand at any point.

Why not check/call the turn if it's only 1 back to you. I really don't like the bet here.

Why not check/call the turn if it's only 1 back to you. I really don't like the bet here.

I thought I might still have some FE against QQ and AJ. If i c/c the turn am i folding the river UI?

You thought or you hoped? :-)

I don't see these hands folding very often, if at all. The only reason I can see betting is to protect against a hand like AQ. And even that hand usually only has 3 outs.



Now that's a tough decision. It comes down to your opponent.

Most players aren't calling the flop bet with a hand like 88 here, after you've shown so much strength pf. So the only reasonable hand you can beat on the river UI is AQ. If an ace falls, I'd check/fold against any opponent. If not, I'd only check/call against aggressive donkeys.

Raise preflop, call the 3-bet. Bet THIS flop, call one raise, check/fold the turn unimproved.

Standard!

why ddi you quote me?

and, u fold Turn UI?
We have a gut shot.. we have 6 outs, usually

I quoted you because I think the best way to play TT given this board is pretty easy, and it seemed like you think the preflop cap is okay sometimes when I think it's bad most of the time.

The gutshot and the boat outs aren't clean because the board is paired. Also, with the board pairing above us, our boats won't always be winners. Reverse implied odds are really bad, and I don't think we're ahead much.

I think the preflop cap is marginal and not something I want to discourage from trying. Expermenting is important. If his opponent misses the flop, what do you think he puts us on? We fold bettter hands sometimes. Who knew he would keep his AJ.

I think mid pairs that you beat may be in his range. AQ is possible too.

AQ, however, is drawing dead and lower pairs are drawing to 2 cards.

If you check to him (and he's a lag monkey) he probably bets with all hands that you do beat too.

I dont think that you're ahead enough to warrant a bet, simply because a lot of the hands that you're behind are going to raise when you're drawing live.

You should, however, probably be calling the turn for your 6 potential outs as it is. And if he's laggy, you can't go wrong with showing down your pair for one more bet after that.