Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with T:diamond:, A:club:.
1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5:diamond:, T:spade:, 7:diamond: (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 4:club: (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

River: (14 BB) 3:heart: (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 14 BB

is betting in this situation +ev or -ev
if i bet i may get called by worse/better hand and if im raise certainly im beat. cant put my opponent on a hand cuz they seriously might have anything
bet?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A:spade:, T:spade:. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 8:diamond:, 3:heart:, 2:club: (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) T:heart: (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (18.75 BB) K:spade: (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

even if i was the button, i would've checked the river
the board is not as coordinated as the first one but the K on the river scares me


am i missing value on river by not betting in these situation?

Hand 1:

Bet it all day. What makes you think he has a 6?

Hand 2:

I bet this also. He might have AK or KQ or something like that, but he doesn't have to.

What do we do in this case if we are raised?

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On a sidenote, how did you enjoy the maniac at our table?

with only two going to the river in the first one, i bet the river. three i might check behind.


hand 2: check is ok.

Really? A check on the river for hand 2? I mean I would too, but it doesnt seem right.

Bet both.

Especially hand 2 as any K is betting if checked to him but worse hands are checking behind.

hand 2: check is ok.


If you hate money.

Come on, what's the theory, someone's check/raising K8? Or that they called 900 bets with AK with 3 outs?

Bet it.


Sure you mighjt lose to JJ or whatever anyway, but if you fold JJ or whatever 1 time in 30 it's a good bet, not to mention you're ahead a lot.

good luck.

I wouldn't cap the flop in hand 1. Protecting vulnerable hands, and all that shit.

You missed a river bet in hand 2.

hand 1 i'm afraid that some connecting hand made two pair, but give the texture, positions, etc etc i think i can find a river bet there.

hand 2 i personally usually check, but i am almost certain that is a mistake. in middle position in a multi-way pot, with a vulnerable hand like mine i almost always check and regret it. looking at this hand reminds me a lot of hands i have, but i have more time to think about it.

thanks - i have bigger problems than missing river bets, so i haven't posted a hand like this, but this'll help me plug a leak.
so don't make the same mistake as me...bet this river.

You missed a huge value bet at the first pot. Given the different positions, I'd say UTG had a hand like K10 and the rest probably had A7 considering it's a 2-4 game.

The second pot, either way it's an iffy play. If you did bet and he raised, oh well, you make the call and lose a BB. But if you didn't bet and he turned over J10, you missed a big +ev situation. Either way that is a tough river to play.

hand 1 is speculative but
majority seems to agree on bet for hand 2

so for hand2,
will it be bet/fold or bet/call
the pot seems to be big enough to make it a bet/call although being raised in the first place makes tells us that were beat defeat.