PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
UTG+1 (t1690)
MP1 (t770)
MP2 (t1365)
CO (t1820)
Hero (t1900)
SB (t1935)
BB (t1325)
UTG (t1185)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J:club:, A:club:.
3 folds, MP2 calls t100.
Flop: (t375) 8:heart:, 4:club:, J:spade: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t150, Hero calls t1065.
Turn: (t2805) 9:spade: (2 players)
River: (t2805) 6:heart: (2 players)
Final Pot: t2805
Full Version: can i get away from this hand? any critiques???
Unless you think villain is on a pure bluff, he can beat top pair top kicker.
I think your initial raise and the flop bet were both weak. I would have raised to 200 pre-flop and then 300 post-flop. If you get reraised all-in I think you can fold.
I think your initial raise and the flop bet were both weak. I would have raised to 200 pre-flop and then 300 post-flop. If you get reraised all-in I think you can fold.
You post flop bet was no where near what it needed to be. You need to at least double the bet you made on the flop, 150 is weak. Pre-flop could have been bigger too (around 200).
What would help me decided is the buy-in. Judging by your play, this is probably a $5 or $10, and it's early on, so, if this guy has been playing loose, i make the call. In lower buy-ins, he could be making this play with KJ, QJ, J10, A8, 1010, 99, and just a pure bluff.
What would help me decided is the buy-in. Judging by your play, this is probably a $5 or $10, and it's early on, so, if this guy has been playing loose, i make the call. In lower buy-ins, he could be making this play with KJ, QJ, J10, A8, 1010, 99, and just a pure bluff.
Any reads on villain?
There's two hands that you don't want to see: 4's and 8's. If he's sane, then he probably doesn't have JJ-AA or J8/J4. You're ahead of everything else or tied with another AJ.
I usually like to bump up the pre-flop raise 1BB for every limper and bet at least 1/2 the pot if I'm leading post-flop with something like TPTK. However, your pot odds wouldn't change that much as you're getting something around 1.6-1 to 1.9 on the call.
You could be almost drawing dead if he hit his set, but I probably call this and rue the fact that TPTK is a magnet for sets.
There's two hands that you don't want to see: 4's and 8's. If he's sane, then he probably doesn't have JJ-AA or J8/J4. You're ahead of everything else or tied with another AJ.
I usually like to bump up the pre-flop raise 1BB for every limper and bet at least 1/2 the pot if I'm leading post-flop with something like TPTK. However, your pot odds wouldn't change that much as you're getting something around 1.6-1 to 1.9 on the call.
You could be almost drawing dead if he hit his set, but I probably call this and rue the fact that TPTK is a magnet for sets.
One thing that I've learned about playing poker online is that when big bets seem to come out of left field at you, it's very often a bad idea to call them. Strange/stupid-looking bets are most often coming from very strong hands or complete bluffs. When you've got TPTK and someone is being even more agressive than you, more times that not I find that you are in trouble. Maybe I make the wrong decisions at the wrong times but when I feel like I'm picking off a bluff I'm usually walking into a big hand.
In fact, I gave very similar advice to my father playing in the 35k guaranteed 100+9 on PP. Blinds were 50/100, limper from first position, dad raises to 350 with AK0, and only the limper calls. The flop is AQ2 rainbow. Limper checks, dad bets 500 and limper check raises to 1000. At this point I tell my dad he is against A2, a set of deuces or possibly AQ and he should fold. Anyway, he calls, the turn is a brick and the limper pushes his last 1,500 in which my dad pretty much has to call. The limper shows AQ and takes the pot. Sure it's not a crazy bet but the very unexpected check-raise on a flop that seemed very favourable to my father seemed like a sure recipe for disaster for TPTK.
Furthermore, in tournaments, when you have a comfortable amount of chips, relative to the blinds/ante, you don't want to be getting all your chips in unless you figure yourself to be a significant favorite to win the hand and/or you a very sure you have the best hand. It's usually best to avoid these marginal situations like calling off all your chips with TPTK on a J-high board, IMO.
In fact, I gave very similar advice to my father playing in the 35k guaranteed 100+9 on PP. Blinds were 50/100, limper from first position, dad raises to 350 with AK0, and only the limper calls. The flop is AQ2 rainbow. Limper checks, dad bets 500 and limper check raises to 1000. At this point I tell my dad he is against A2, a set of deuces or possibly AQ and he should fold. Anyway, he calls, the turn is a brick and the limper pushes his last 1,500 in which my dad pretty much has to call. The limper shows AQ and takes the pot. Sure it's not a crazy bet but the very unexpected check-raise on a flop that seemed very favourable to my father seemed like a sure recipe for disaster for TPTK.
Furthermore, in tournaments, when you have a comfortable amount of chips, relative to the blinds/ante, you don't want to be getting all your chips in unless you figure yourself to be a significant favorite to win the hand and/or you a very sure you have the best hand. It's usually best to avoid these marginal situations like calling off all your chips with TPTK on a J-high board, IMO.
QUOTE (semaj550)
Maybe I make the wrong decisions at the wrong times but when I feel like I'm picking off a bluff I'm usually walking into a big hand.
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Yeah... If you're picking off a bluff and find yourself frequently running into Aces full, you're maybe making the wrong decisions at the wrong times
I think you can safely fold here without a read. You've got plenty of chips left, and you're behind a lot.
Sure, sometimes it's someone stupidly playing 9T or QJ like this, but it's not a very tough fold...
This hand should be extremely easy for a good player to get away from.
That said, I've gone broke in similar situations in MTTs so I won't take a holier than thou attitude.
That said, I've gone broke in similar situations in MTTs so I won't take a holier than thou attitude.
I dont know if the laydown is that easy.These tourneys with low buy ins people do crazy things.It suprises me how much of the time a-j would be good in that spot.
This hand is actually good a lot of the time. Against someone who would move in like this on the flop, your generally ahead here. Most likely your against someone overplaying a jack with no kicker. It really depends on your opponent, the worst he is, the more I'm inclined to call. However, you will look stupid sometimes and run into a set or something, because some players will play their sets this way hoping to get paid off huge.
I happened to read this while watching the 5, 263rd replay of the WSOP where Steve Dannemann pulls out his "inspiration sheet", and the last note is very applicable to this hand..."folding to big raise is only a small mistake".
You don't have that much invested in the pot and you really dont know what this bet means. Why risk it?
With a limp/call and then the big raise I would be shocked not to see 44 or possibly 88 in his hand.
As others have said the pf raise is too small ....if you are going to raise at all.
Stacks are very even at this point, and AJ is pretty but not an easy hand to play post flop with deep stacks. The best value this hand has is that its soooted and could flop a monster or at least a monster draw (eg Top pair and the flush draw). If you are prepared to fold if you dont hit (which doesnt bother me with these stacks and the low blinds) then limping here is an option.
By keeping the pot small you also take away a lot of the incentive to bluff. Say preflop goes limp, limp, complete, check. The pot is now 200 instead of 375. This flop comes and it goes check, check.
If MP2 doesnt have a set bluffing into 3 players for a 200 pot is a terrible play with these stacks.
MP2 with a set now is more concerned that he's not going to get any action for it and may very well lead out. That should set off alarm bells since its very unlikely he's making a play. You should be alerted to a set, two pair, or possibly KJ or QJ.
If he still slowplays the set your lead on the flop can be much smaller and easier to get away from in the face of a reraise.
You don't have that much invested in the pot and you really dont know what this bet means. Why risk it?
With a limp/call and then the big raise I would be shocked not to see 44 or possibly 88 in his hand.
As others have said the pf raise is too small ....if you are going to raise at all.
Stacks are very even at this point, and AJ is pretty but not an easy hand to play post flop with deep stacks. The best value this hand has is that its soooted and could flop a monster or at least a monster draw (eg Top pair and the flush draw). If you are prepared to fold if you dont hit (which doesnt bother me with these stacks and the low blinds) then limping here is an option.
By keeping the pot small you also take away a lot of the incentive to bluff. Say preflop goes limp, limp, complete, check. The pot is now 200 instead of 375. This flop comes and it goes check, check.
If MP2 doesnt have a set bluffing into 3 players for a 200 pot is a terrible play with these stacks.
MP2 with a set now is more concerned that he's not going to get any action for it and may very well lead out. That should set off alarm bells since its very unlikely he's making a play. You should be alerted to a set, two pair, or possibly KJ or QJ.
If he still slowplays the set your lead on the flop can be much smaller and easier to get away from in the face of a reraise.
I dislike how you played the hand completely (ie. pre-flop, post-flop, etc.).
Raise more pre-flop (a good guideline is 4X the BB + one big blind per limper).
On the flop, after it was checked to you, you should bet (again, only a guideline) 1/2 to 3/4's of the pot here. If raised all-in, it comes down to reads.
Depending on the buy-in of the tourney, you need to go with what you think is correct (meaning that IMO, the lower the buy-in, the more times your hand is best in this situation), however, I would be fairly confident in my skill in being able to come back after folding to the all-in raise, so it seems like I could get away from it (meaning that I don't believe I have committed too many of my chips by playing the hand like I suggested and then having to fold). 8)
Raise more pre-flop (a good guideline is 4X the BB + one big blind per limper).
On the flop, after it was checked to you, you should bet (again, only a guideline) 1/2 to 3/4's of the pot here. If raised all-in, it comes down to reads.
Depending on the buy-in of the tourney, you need to go with what you think is correct (meaning that IMO, the lower the buy-in, the more times your hand is best in this situation), however, I would be fairly confident in my skill in being able to come back after folding to the all-in raise, so it seems like I could get away from it (meaning that I don't believe I have committed too many of my chips by playing the hand like I suggested and then having to fold). 8)
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