Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 max, 8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with [8s], [8c]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) [4d], [Qh], [Th] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) [5h] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) [9d] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

MP1 is a loose player, and UTG+1 is aswell. Did i play this ok?

I would let this one go on the flop.

His LRR seems like a bunch of bullshit to me, but that flop connects with a lot of hands.

what do u think of the preflop raise?

I like it.

The posters haven't shown any strength and there's a lot of dead money in the pot.

Liking the preflop raise, though I tend to give credit to the LRR until someone uses it and is forced to show down trash; it serves me well more often than not.

I also like the raise on the flop, as you're telling him "I think you're just making a continuation bet and didn't actually hit the flop at all". When he re-raises the flop, I can see a case for letting it go right there, particularly with only one clean 8.

You mention that both villains are loose, but are they passive or aggressive? Loose preflop, and calling station post-flop? Are either of them capable of laying down a hand despite their apparent looseness?

havent read replies...ur flop raise was no good...u have one clean out since the 8h is tainted by the flush draw. mp1 has already raised u once...i dump this hand very fast on the flop if i dont hit a set

why? the only hand that u may be ahead of is ak...otherwise what are u ahead of that may limp/raise...there are much better spots to get money in and this isnt one of them...ur have one clean out as i said in my above post...

That kind of flop is awful for your hand. I most likely fold it on the flop to the first bet but otherwise I think you have to fold it to the 3-bet. With the 8 of seeing the turn might be fine after you get 3-bet but without it I think you can dump your hand.

You'd be amazed. Just because we know what the LRR is supposed to represent (And I've only seen one time where someone used it and didn't have pocket aces, so I see where you're coming from) doesn't mean the person doing it knows this. That said, the one time I saw a person LRR without aces was yesterday (They had A6 suited, which depending on the suit, we're anywhere from ahead of to completely decimating on the flop), so my thinking may have been tainted on that regard.

Rereading what I wrote, combined with the one clean out, I do think you have to just let it go when he 3-bets back at you.

Empteyeye,

I find most LRR's are either AK/AA/KK when the limper is the first in the pot from EP.

When he's second it, the LRR usually signifies a medium suited connector. A lot of these hands connect with this flop. Not only that, a lot of hands in general will connect with this flop so it's unlikely we will force UTG out. We have 3rd pair on a very draw heavy flop. We have virtually no outs to catch up when we're behind, but a ton of outs that will hurt us if we do happen to be ahead. The pot is kind of big, but not nearly big enough to warrant investing anymore money in it.

I witnessed, and Actuary can attest to this, a LRR from MP, like 2nd or 3rd person in, and then he ended up showing down KK, splitting with another KK, who limped from UTG, and check/called it the whole way down, with no Ace or anything scary on board. Simply ridiculous.

Zach

What Matt points out makes alot of sense imo. Next time., ill let this one go on the flop. He had AA.

The more I think about it, the more I realize simply letting it go on the flop is correct. There ARE spots where I will raise a preflop raiser with some pocket pair, but this shouldn't be one of them.