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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8:heart:, 8:diamond:.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8:club:, 6:spade:, 5:spade: (2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) K:heart: (2 players)
UTG+2 bets, UTG+2 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) T:heart: (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Wait for the turn correct here?

I like it, by waiting for a safe turn we're putting in more bets with better equity.

awesome preflop raise.
I know that's not an easy one for a newer player, like me!

also, I'm raising any turn, except the 7 , perhaps

I think I raise that flop as there are a lot of draws that you have to try and dodge. Although I guess I could see the logic in waiting for the turn to open up because of that.

I still think I would raise the flop though.

Then again, that could just be me being over cautious since I've been on a pretty bad downswing lately and seem to be getting sucked out on like crazy.

I personally raise the flop; as has already been said, there's a lot of draws out there, and we already may be looking to redraw to a boat if someone uberclowned with 79. That said, if you have the discipline and the postflop ability to be able to play it correctly if a scare card DOES come, I can see the merit in waiting for the turn.

Curious as to your rationale for the PF raise...trying to isolate the limper or what?

I like it. Preflop raise, very good. Make the blinds pay, plus you have position. Equity edge is also very likely, and you have some FE on the flop.

Good to wait for the turn, let him fire again and raise a safe card. Would you still do that if you were OOP?

I raise the flop.

I'm not too worried about him HAVING a draw, but most of the deck will look pretty scary to most of his hands, right? There aren't many hands that won't 3-bet the flop and lead the turn that are going to be confident of themselves on the turn.

So I get value while I know I can, and hope to play a really big pot. If he 3-bets, then you can go ahead and raise the turn.

Wang

i raise preflop cuz screech tells me to.

Also when i raise and the blinds still call it disguises my hand.

However, I hate it when the blinds call; I am really hoping to isolate aginst the limper.

When i don't flop a set, i can take this pot down alot more often against one opponent, so basically that's the main reason I raise.


As i post more hands I think you guys will realize I never have trouble raising anything.


Turn:

I'm still confused as to when it is correct to wait for the turn. I did it here simply because I thought I could get more money in the pot.

If i raise the flop the action will most likey go something like this:

Flop : Villain bets, I raise, villian calls
Turn: Villians checks, I bet, villian calls
River: I raise, villian either calls or folds.
total = 4-6BB

If i wait for the turn:

Flop: Villian bets, I call
Turn: Villian bets, I raise, Villian calls
River: Villian checks, I bet, Villian Calls (maybe folds)
Total : 5-7BB

Basically I thought I was ahead, and i waited for the turn so that I could the maximum amount of money in the pot.

I still want someone to explain to me why this is either bad or good, and when it is approrpriate to wait for the turn.

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I tried to tell you why I like raising the flop better, here... what else are you looking for?

Wang

The thing is, i think he is on a draw.

He raises an over pair preflop. He doesn't always 3bet A8. underset is very unlikely. And i'm behind a straight (which is also very unlikely)

What hand do you put him on wang?

Well, yeah he's on a draw. He folded the river... good guess.

I just think we need to get bets in while we're surely ahead. There are so many shit turns for our hand that make it so we NEVER get in a raise.

Any spade, any 9, any 4. That's 15 cards on the turn that we'll have to either

a) slow down to OR
risk being hammered by


I say we give him a chance to make a mistake immediately. Come after him on the flop, and maybe he'll call "bullshit" and fire back. Then we get a full extra bet out of him when we raise the turn.

He might also want to cap with any number of combo hands that are behind to your set, like 87 or 89. He might also cap with you with a 2-pair hand like 56s. Heck, he could have limped in with nines or tens UTG.

I think the possibility of winning an extra half bet by waiting for the turn is significantly outweighed by the combination of potential action loss on the turn and the potential that he may love his hand and want to go crazy on the flop if you raise.

Wang

Wang:

if he villan 3-bets the flop and leads the turn, we still love our hand?
What if it's a

I have this silly concept that says: stay ignorant.
I don't want to know if he's going to 3-bet and then lead the turn. I'd rather let him lead the turn w/o having any clue to what I think about my hand.

I agree that villan may slow down to so many board cards than raisdng the flop mighht be our best chance.

I also have to learn about this.

It's rare he's got exactly 79 or 74, here. If he 3-bets the flop and leads the turn when a blank comes off, we can raise very easily.

If the turn's a spade and he leads, I'd still raise. If we just call a flop 3-bet, we've committed ourselves to that line, regardless of what slides off the deck. I would most definitely slow down to the 9s and the 4s. I'd consider slowing down to a 9 or a 4

Wang

Wang...

you help me see something here, see if I can express it correctly.

If villan will slow down to our flop raise
There's a good chance he was either not leading the turn anyway, or not calling if we raised the turn

Thus by pulling a pos raise/call on the flop, we don't slow him down usually, if he had a hand to play in the first place.

ok..I'm gettnig it.

Yes. Good.

Well analyzyed.

On that note, I'm gonna go polish off a jug of peppermint schnapps and bemoan my lonely existence on Christmas Eve.

Merry Christmas, everyone.