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psujohn
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4:club:, A:heart:.
6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J:heart:, 5:spade:, 4:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) K:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Any argument?

I hate stealing from the SB because I almost NEVER take it down pre-flop. It just looks too much like a steal. But with an A I have a hard time passing it up. Should I just fold this pre-flop?

Fold the turn after villain raises? If he has 67 I'm drawing dead. Otherwise I have like 9 outs or I'm still ahead.
Actuary
where are you getting 9 outs from?

Fold the turn to normal players at micro.

Definitly raise pf, if for no other reason than to get practice!
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (Actuary)
where are you getting 9 outs from?

Fold the turn to normal players at micro.

Definitly raise pf, if for no other reason than to get practice!


He's got a gutshot (4) an ace (3) and a 4 (2)

Which = 9

I call the turn, and fold the river UI, just like you did

Wang
Actuary
QUOTE (Shimmering Wang)
QUOTE (Actuary)
where are you getting 9 outs from?

Fold the turn to normal players at micro.

Definitly raise pf, if for no other reason than to get practice!


He's got a gutshot (4) an ace (3) and a 4 (2)

Which = 9

I call the turn, and fold the river UI, just like you did

Wang


my username might be misleading.
I really am good at math!

ok, I play it the same.
Emptyeye
9 outs at 6:1 seems like an easy call, but what are the odds villain actually HAS the 67 (Or uberclowned their way into a set with 33 or hit some weird two-pair)? Do we really have the full 9 outs often enough to make the turn call?

River as played is fine.

And yeah, I'm raising that out of the small blind too.
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (Emptyeye)
9 outs at 6:1 seems like an easy call, but what are the odds villain actually HAS the 67 (Or uberclowned their way into a set with 33 or hit some weird two-pair)? Do we really have the full 9 outs often enough to make the turn call?

River as played is fine.

And yeah, I'm raising that out of the small blind too.


I'm a lazy poster. Unless I think the people likely to post are interested, I don't usually go through all the maths I should. I'm not British, but I still wanna use the word "maths" a lot. My friend is British, and I envy him.

I think our implied odds on a 4, A or 2 here easily outweigh the value we're giving up when our opponent has 67 (rare).

No, we don't have 9 full outs to win here. But the money we make when we hit our hand compensates for that, and then some. I jotted the calcs down somewhere earlier to make sure. Let me know if you wanna see them tomorrow

Wang
psujohn
QUOTE (Emptyeye)
9 outs at 6:1 seems like an easy call, but what are the odds villain actually HAS the 67 (Or uberclowned their way into a set with 33 or hit some weird two-pair)? Do we really have the full 9 outs often enough to make the turn call?


We have 9 outs against two pair. 6 against a set of 3s. 67 is the only hand that has us in really bad shape.

I think the chances that he has 67 are balanced by the chances he has K3 or absolutely nothing and this is a big FU raise. Though usually you get the FU raise on the flop and not the turn.

Does anyone call the river? Is there enough of a chance that villain has only a pair of 3s or less?
Actuary
QUOTE (psujohn)
Does anyone call the river? Is there enough of a chance that villain has only a pair of 3s or less?



not without a clear read that he defends his BB vigorusly.
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