Rocketwadster
Wednesday, December 21st, 2005, 12:12 PM
Late in a session, havent hit anything really, finally had a good looking hand after the turn. Small debate occured after the hand as to who was the favorite going to the river. I have tried using Pokertrackers Pot Odds thingy to see, but I can't seem to figure out how it works (I also wanted to check to see if I should have called on the turn).
Omaha Hi $0.25-$0.50 (real money), hand #1,615,733,095
Table Erfurt, 21 Dec 2005 12:20 PM ET
Seat 1: A
Seat 2: m
Seat 3: j
Seat 4: f
Seat 5: c
Seat 6: Rocketwad0 [ JC,10C,4S,8S ]
Seat 9: p
Seat 10: jj
ANTES/BLINDS
Rocketwad0 posts blind ($0.15), p posts blind ($0.25).
PRE-FLOP
jj folds, A folds, m folds, j calls $0.25, f calls $0.25, c calls $0.25, Rocketwad0 calls $0.10, p checks.
Completed due to frustration only in not getting to play any hands, plus in completely missing and that I do play
FLOP [board cards 6D,9C,2D ]
Rocketwad0 checks, p checks, j bets $0.25, f folds, c calls $0.25, Rocketwad0 calls $0.25, p folds.
Had no intenti0n of calling here, total misclick. IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE!
TURN [board cards 6D,9C,2D,QC ]
Rocketwad0 checks, j checks, c bets $0.50, Rocketwad0 calls $0.50, j calls $0.50.
Now that was the best card I think that could fall for my hand, short of the 7C. I now have an open-ended straight flush draw, plus the inside straight draw. This is where I am unsure whether I have enough pot odds (not including implied odds) to call or not...
RIVER [board cards 6D,9C,2D,QC,3S ]
Rocketwad0 checks, j checks, c checks.
Terrible river card, for everyone involved. I gave up, but it looks like a bet probably would have got everyone to fold.
SHOWDOWN
Rocketwad0 shows [ JC,10C,4S,8S ]
j shows [ 8D,10S,AD,9D ]
c shows [ 8H,AC,7D,QH ]
c wins $3.25.
Cardplayer says the odds were 30.56% for me to win, 25% for j to win, and 33.33% for c to win.
Can someone please tell me how to use the PT Pot Odds thingy to see if I (and my opponents) should have called or not on the turn...
Deepkoncntrtion
Wednesday, December 21st, 2005, 5:46 PM
Just calculated this real quick so I could be incorrect, you can do this during the hand tho, after c bets on the turn there is $2.25 in the pot and its costing you $.50 to call--> pot odds = 2.25/.5 = (4.5-1). You are 30% to win so your call is +ev.
Rocketwadster
Thursday, December 22nd, 2005, 5:02 AM
QUOTE (Deepkoncntrtion)
Just calculated this real quick so I could be incorrect, you can do this during the hand tho, after c bets on the turn there is $2.25 in the pot and its costing you $.50 to call--> pot odds = 2.25/.5 = (4.5-1). You are 30% to win so your call is +ev.
30% to win came from where? I figure my outs as follows (does not figure splits): NOTE: tis early, havent got a coffee in me yet
8c, Kc - guaranteed to win
7h, 7d, 7s - guaranteed to win
8h, 8d - guaranteed to win
Ac, 2c, 3c, 4c, 5c, 6c, 7c, - may win (could be a higher flush out there)
10h, 10d, 10s - may win (could be a higher straight)
Jh, Jd, Js - may win (could be a higher straight)
7 sure outs, 44 unknown cards - 16% to win guranteed
13 additional outs that may win - 45% to possibly win
Is that right? :?
Deepkoncntrtion
Thursday, December 22nd, 2005, 6:34 AM
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30% to win came from where?
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Cardplayer says the odds were 30.56% for me to win
It's difficult to determine how thin your drawing in a 3 way pot w. unkown opponents, you just have to rely on your read of the situation. On a results oriented basis your call on the turn was +ev.
Rocketwadster
Thursday, December 22nd, 2005, 6:38 AM
QUOTE (Deepkoncntrtion)
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30% to win came from where?
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Cardplayer says the odds were 30.56% for me to win
It's difficult to determine how thin your drawing in a 3 way pot w. unkown opponents, you just have to rely on your read of the situation. On a results oriented basis your call on the turn was +ev.
I agree that looking back after the fact that it was EV, but it is during the heat of the moment when it matters. Based on my math (without looking at my opponents cards), I was only 16% to win for sure, and POSSIBLY 45% to win. If my club outs were good, and all my straight outs were good, I figured I was a huge favorite after the turn (hence the debate that occured after the hand), but in reality, I was only 30% to win, so my call was EV, but not even close to the 45% I thought it could be.
Deepkoncntrtion
Thursday, December 22nd, 2005, 7:17 AM
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Based on my math, I was only 16% to win for sure, and POSSIBLY 45% to win. If my club outs were good, and all my straight outs were good, I figured I was a huge favorite after the turn (hence the debate that occured after the hand), but in reality, I was only 30% to win, so my call was EV, but not even close to the 45% I thought it could be.
In limit you can get away w. calling 1 more bet on 5th street w. a lower flush if you think their is reasonable chance opp. would bluff or the pot odds r allowing u 2 look them up.
In PLO, your clubs need to be counted as blockers against the nut flush rather than outs when you already have a made hand.
I know you were in the small blind and were getting correct odds to call pf, however, you should pass this hand pf, esp. in EP. You'll save yourself alot of difficult decisions if you only draw to the nuts. I know u had the nut str8 draw on the turn...just mentioning 4 future pf considerations.