pls give me some of ure thoughts here. i'm a tight player who consideres himself too passive sometimes post flop.

i've only been playing a few months so pls dont flame about how bad i played

notes
Seat 1: jokar ($22.13 in chips) LAG
Seat 2: Oltimo1 ($54.83 in chips)
Seat 3: tufat23 ($49.53 in chips)
Seat 4: PeerGunt ($51.27 in chips)
Seat 5: Mevaag ($64.05 in chips) just arrived,came out firing
Seat 6: Rakki ($48.75 in chips)
PeerGunt: posts small blind $0.25
Mevaag: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to tufat23 [Js Ks]
Rakki: calls $0.50
jokar: calls $0.50
Oltimo1: calls $0.50
tufat23: calls $0.50
PeerGunt: raises to $1
Mevaag: folds
Rakki: calls $0.50
jokar: calls $0.50
Oltimo1: calls $0.50
tufat23: calls $0.50

game is NL $0.25/$0.5 blinds. 6 handed loose and aggressive.
i decided i was quitting next time it was my BB, so i decided to see a cheap flop, plus from the way the game had gone i think i'd have had to raise to 6x BB and still have got 2 callers it wasnt worth it.
people had been calling 4/6 times BB bets on AJo and 67s.



----- FLOP ----- [3s Jc Td]
PeerGunt: checks
Rakki: checks
jokar: bets $2(loose player who'd been betting draws aggressively)
Oltimo1: calls $2 (tight player who hadnt seen much action from)
tufat23: folds
PeerGunt: folds
Rakki: folds

torn between 2 options.
either fold or or put in a bet of around $8 to find out where i was.
i folded based on the fact that i was quitting, the fact that they could have had a wide range of hands, and any bet less than $8 would have meant they'd have drawn with 'implied odds' even though i would have been looking to fold if a scare card came.
i figured one of them had open ended straight (98,Q9) and the other had at least top pair, possibly A/Q kicker or two pair. Either way i figured i had a lot of cards to dodge if i wasnt already behind.

i didnt have good notes as i had only just sat down to play 30 mins or so, but the hand got me thinking. i do get tighter when i'm about to leave, but i may have called had i been stuck in the game, does anyone do this?
ive read several articles about people gambling when behind but not when htey're ahead, does anyone else do this and how do i curb this?

Try not to play any differently just because you are leaving soon. Make decisions based on the information you have at any given time.

Here I would have raised to at least $8. That way the villians are basically telling you what they have depending on how they react to your move. I do not like a call here at all because you are very likely up against an open ended straight draw and some over cards.

A good percentage of teh time you will take this pot down with a raise.

Would you categorize yourself as a tight player pre-flop? Calling a raise and that many callers with KJ is just asking for trouble. You do have position so that's good, but you're basically committing to losing a dollar trying to flop a monster.

This is especially true if you are on your "final round" and thinking about quitting. Usually when I'm in that mode, I play the nuts and keep risk taking to a minimum. KJ is a risk taking hand in that situation.

KJ can often get you into trouble. That being said, I would raise the flop in this position. If villian comes over the top, then reconsider the fold.

yeh well it cost $0.50 and then i was getting odds on the extra $0.50.

i was actually just trying to hit a monster, and thought KJs was a good hand to hit it with, considering there were so many players.

i'm generally very tight preflop but position and odds were too good to put down.
had i had to call 2 BB cold, i'd have usually mucked, unless i thought the guy was weak or several players were in.

Re-read every poker book you have.


-fop

I think the order of preference for what you want to do with this hand:

1. Fold pre-flop.
2. Reraise and reevaulate on flop.

and a distant third...

3. Call and fold if you don't hit a monster.

I actually don't mind the preflop play too much.

You need to play the hand one of two ways and it depends alot on table image. With this hand you're looking to hit two pair, big straight/flush draw(s).

Fold the flop, or put in a pot sized raise and find out what's going on.

Me, I probably take the pink panties off, and pot this flop.

I'd say if the table's real loose, just fold, you're likely against JT and someone could certainly have a set.

I lean toward the pot sized bet here. Especially if the table views you as tight passive here. Realize that a re-raise probably means you are beaten and be willing to give it up.

I also think it's not a bad idea to see a flop with this hand, especially to a min raise. Min raises just annoy me anyway.

YOU FOLDED?! you have top pair second kicker, with backdoor draws at a flush and straight, to a bet of 2 dolars into a pot of 5 dollars, getting 1-4.5 pot odds, and YOU'RE PROBABLY AHEAD...the person calling, probably had KdQdand is getting good odds to call...you should raise 5-10 dollars to see where you're sitting at least and it you want, fold to a reraise...but if you're playing KJ, this is a nearly a dream flop for you....

Why are you guys saying to fold this preflop? Honestly, please tell me, because I am trying to work on my ring game.

Everybody limped, he has position, and this isn't a high limit (no-limit of course) table. I would limp behind.

Are you saying to fold to the raise? I'm not folding to a min raise with position, especially after everyone called.

Shit. I dont know how anyone could suggest folding this preflop in late position with several limpers.

Hell, if you pretend your pairs dont exist and play for straight and flush value alone, it's still worthwhile.



What?

Why would the table being loose make it MORE likely that someone has a legitimate hand?




So you're advocating the following, in this order...

a) folding to a minraise
limp/raising with KJs out of position vs the PFR
c) playing weak-tight

Gotcha.

This is a standard call in low NL cash games. Dont fold for .50 more ever. Its such an obvious calls its ridiculous.


As is since its so multiway play it carefully on the flop.

With this flop i'm raising and seeing how they react.

the fact that its loose IMO means that with this many players, speculative hands are very likely. i was most worried about JT.
KQ and maybe AJ, although AJ and KQ were unlikely cos these guys were making it 4-6 times BB preflop.

i know it seems tight to fold on the flop and this is why i posted to get feedback on what happened, and thanks to everryone who has posted. all criticism is useful for me.

although its a loose table, the second villan in i had pegged as being fairly tight. i had only seem AK, JJ and AQ out of him, so i would have put him on a hand that i would have played similarly, like JTs, or KQs with him trying to hit a monster too. also a big factor which i know i shouldnt consider is that i was playing only 30 mins, was just about to leave, and had made $20 on another table, and decided it would be a shame to risk my (small) profit on what was IMO a marginal play.

thats a bad mind set but I understand where you're coming from.

As is i think the worst play here is for you to fold on the flop as you can call the small flop bet and reevaluate on the turn as you are in position.

Given the number of people that saw the flop, loose players are significantly less likely to have a strong hand here.


Against 5 loose limpers, you're in much better shape than you are against 5 tight limpers.

For sure, definately being way too passive. I wouldn't let short term results effect you even if sombody hit 2 pr, you must bet to protect from the draws out there.

from what all u guys have said, i think i should have bet 8-10 on flop.

the thing about consdering leaving i know is wrong, as losing my profit up till then would mean nothing to me overall

i dont think calling is right on flop because the $2 bet could be a blocker bet, plus a caller and maybe up to two players behind i have to raise if i want to play. if i'm ahead here there are so many scare cards i have to narrow the field a little, and a call may have sparked one of the others behind to call due to even better odds, 11 to 2 plus implied.


anyway the turn came a Q and the first villan in bet out $5 and i didnt get to see.
ideas on holdings?