.10/.25 $25 NL Party 6- handed
I played this hand this morning and I'm at work so no converter. Playing at the table for 20 minutes, no read on villian.
Stack Sizes: Hero $28, Villian $24
Hero dealt AA on the button
UTG + 1 calls, UTG + 2 calls, Villian calls, Hero raises $1.50, SB folds, BB folds, UTG + 1 folds, UTG + 2 folds, Villian calls (thinks for a few seconds)
Pot: $4.15
Flop: 3c, 10d, 8c
Villian checks, Hero bets $2.5, Villian calls
Analysis: My immediate thought is, great he called with A10, K10, QQ or JJ or he is on a flush draw
Pot: $ 9.15
Turn: 2h
Villian bets $4, Hero calls
Analysis: This is what threw me. The fact that he lead the turn on a non scare card confused me. He could do that on a draw, he may have done that thinking that I had AK and my flop bet was a continuation bet or he could have hit his set on the flop and now he's leading into me. Or maybe he's still on the draw and wants to take the lead away from me. My "read" was set, set, set...so I slowed down.
First question: Do you call, or re-raise here?
River: 6h
Villian bets $7, Hero calls
Analysis: At this point I'm almost certain I'm beat but I make the crying call because there is an outside chance he was betting with A10, K10 or QQ, JJ and AA should always win after all cards are dealt right :wink:
2nd Question: Call, Fold or Re-raise?
Thanks
Full Version: misplayed aa hand?
Honestly, no huge reason to put him on a set right away. Maybe he was waiting for the turn to get aggressive with A10, K10, JJ, QQ seeing if a safe card hit. You let him call pretty cheap, though, as I'd probably make a pot sized bet on that flop with a flush draw out there (even the slightly hidden straight draw - hey, you never know). So we see a really safe card hit the turn, couldn't ask for a better card as it doesn't seem to help anyone at all. I'd probably raise his bet to 8 more. $4 in the pot + his $4 + $8 and see what he does. If he calls, I might then start considering a set and see what he does on the river.
raise more preflop, bet more on the flop and the hand plays out differently.
id raise, because,at those limits because most people would of put you on two high cards. In my opinion he was trying to make a move on the pot.
another thing to factor in is that what reasons would he have to bet out knowing that you bet the flop. If he really had a good hand he would try to maximise value and maybe put in a check raise on the turn or river.
another thing to factor in is that what reasons would he have to bet out knowing that you bet the flop. If he really had a good hand he would try to maximise value and maybe put in a check raise on the turn or river.
QUOTE (allinbluff35)
raise more preflop
Raise more than 6x BB??? I'm not a huge fan of that.
QUOTE (benhoug)
QUOTE (allinbluff35)
raise more preflop
Raise more than 6x BB??? I'm not a huge fan of that.
people are calling more than 6x bb raise preflop at these stakes
whats the smallest amount that you can raise preflop that gets everyone to fold? surely its not as low as 6x bb
I bet more on the flop. $5 looks good to me.
Raise more preflop, bet out more on the flop.
QUOTE (DrawingDeadInDM)
Raise more preflop, bet out more on the flop.
agreed. but change your avatar.
QUOTE (goose)
QUOTE (DrawingDeadInDM)
Raise more preflop, bet out more on the flop.
agreed. but change your avatar.
I'm sorry?
you probably should be.
QUOTE (goose)
you probably should be.
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Take this shit back to the General Forum. Stay there until you have something worthwhile to say. Thanks.
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a little hypersensitive?
relax, I was joking around friendly-like.
relax, I was joking around friendly-like.
QUOTE (goose)
a little hypersensitive?
relax, I was joking around friendly-like.
relax, I was joking around friendly-like.
K..now go back to general or contribute something to this thread.
Seriously.
We have a hard enough time keeping a thread going without it getting hijacked.
I've already made my contribution - the part where I agreed with you, and those before you, who said raise harder pf and on the flop.
There's not too much to read into this situation, it's a wa/wb, especially after the turn, without the OP giving some concrete reads.
There's not too much to read into this situation, it's a wa/wb, especially after the turn, without the OP giving some concrete reads.
It's not wa/wb. We dont even know his range of hands. There is a flush draw, there are straight draws, and there are other possibilities. Wa/wb is when the flop comes AA6 rainbow and you have kings. This is not wa/wb by a long shot.
If you're going to lead really weak on the flop, raise half of the pot on the turn when he gaybets a blank.
I'd suggest raising more if you had deeper stacks, but considering that you'll have so little for the river bet, you dont have to worry about giving him correct implied odds for draws. He definitely isnt getting odds to draw if he's behind, even with implied odds. It would be _close_ if he had a flush draw, and ideally we'd just go all in if we knew he did.... but there are a lot of top pair type hands that we want calling, and an all in will potentially get them to fold.
This also means that you're basically commiting yourself to an all in if he goes over the top, since you'll have $7 left roughly, for a huge pot.
The preflop raise could be bigger, but it's not a huge issue.
The flop bet should generally be bigger. Had there been no flush draw, i'd consider betting 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot. With the flush draw, im betting the whole pot.
If you're going to lead really weak on the flop, raise half of the pot on the turn when he gaybets a blank.
I'd suggest raising more if you had deeper stacks, but considering that you'll have so little for the river bet, you dont have to worry about giving him correct implied odds for draws. He definitely isnt getting odds to draw if he's behind, even with implied odds. It would be _close_ if he had a flush draw, and ideally we'd just go all in if we knew he did.... but there are a lot of top pair type hands that we want calling, and an all in will potentially get them to fold.
This also means that you're basically commiting yourself to an all in if he goes over the top, since you'll have $7 left roughly, for a huge pot.
The preflop raise could be bigger, but it's not a huge issue.
The flop bet should generally be bigger. Had there been no flush draw, i'd consider betting 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot. With the flush draw, im betting the whole pot.
QUOTE (Abbaddabba)
It's not wa/wb. We dont even know his range of hands. There is a flush draw, there are straight draws, and there are other possibilities. Wa/wb is when the flop comes AA6 rainbow and you have kings. This is not wa/wb by a long shot.
If you're going to lead really weak on the flop, raise half of the pot on the turn when he gaybets a blank.
I'd suggest raising more if you had deeper stacks, but considering that you'll have less than a half pot sized bet at the river, you dont have to worry about giving him correct implied odds for draws.
This also means that you're basically commiting yourself to an all in if he goes over the top, since you'll have $7 left roughly, for a huge pot.
The preflop raise could be bigger, but it's not a huge issue.
The flop bet should generally be bigger. Had there been no flush draw, i'd consider betting 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot. With the flush draw, im betting the whole pot.
If you're going to lead really weak on the flop, raise half of the pot on the turn when he gaybets a blank.
I'd suggest raising more if you had deeper stacks, but considering that you'll have less than a half pot sized bet at the river, you dont have to worry about giving him correct implied odds for draws.
This also means that you're basically commiting yourself to an all in if he goes over the top, since you'll have $7 left roughly, for a huge pot.
The preflop raise could be bigger, but it's not a huge issue.
The flop bet should generally be bigger. Had there been no flush draw, i'd consider betting 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot. With the flush draw, im betting the whole pot.
I'm not too familiar with these limits, but I still think this is a wa/wb situation. I think it's highly doubtful the villain's on any kind of draw right here, unless he's a tricky player - and he smells like a donkey.
I think he's up agianst a set, an overpair, or TP Strong Kicker.... all three of those are wa/wb.
I guess he could have QKs here, but I still think it's doubtful.
I dont know what you're basing that on.
He could easily have had A2s and picked up a pair to go with his flush draw.
He could easily have a lot of things.
And for the record, top pair (with anything but an ace kicker) doesnt fit the conventional definition of wa/wb here, as i understand it.
"Way" usually means 2 or fewer outs. If his kicker was clean, he'd have 5.
That's 2.5*[way]!
(and 5 outs is worth protecting against)
Also keep in mind that if he does have an overpair, he is still paying you off. Or in other words, he ISNT viewing this as a wa/wb necessarily, meaning that you have every reason in the world to raise.
The rationale for just calling when its wa/wb is because worse hands will fold to a raise and better hands will be all over you.
In this situation, you get action from both worse and better hands... and there are much more worse hands than there are better.
He could easily have had A2s and picked up a pair to go with his flush draw.
He could easily have a lot of things.
And for the record, top pair (with anything but an ace kicker) doesnt fit the conventional definition of wa/wb here, as i understand it.
"Way" usually means 2 or fewer outs. If his kicker was clean, he'd have 5.
That's 2.5*[way]!
(and 5 outs is worth protecting against)
Also keep in mind that if he does have an overpair, he is still paying you off. Or in other words, he ISNT viewing this as a wa/wb necessarily, meaning that you have every reason in the world to raise.
The rationale for just calling when its wa/wb is because worse hands will fold to a raise and better hands will be all over you.
In this situation, you get action from both worse and better hands... and there are much more worse hands than there are better.
QUOTE (Abbaddabba)
I dont know what you're basing that on.
He could easily have had A2s and picked up a pair to go with his flush draw.
He could easily have a lot of things.
And for the record, top pair (with anything but an ace kicker) doesnt fit the conventional definition of wa/wb here, as i understand it.
"Way" usually means 2 or fewer outs. If his kicker was clean, he'd have 5.
That's 2.5*[way]!
(and 5 outs is worth protecting against)
Also keep in mind that if he does have an overpair, he is still paying you off. Or in other words, he ISNT viewing this as a wa/wb necessarily, meaning that you have every reason in the world to raise.
The rationale for just calling when its wa/wb is because worse hands will fold to a raise and better hands will be all over you.
In this situation, you get action from both worse and better hands... and there are much more worse hands than there are better.
He could easily have had A2s and picked up a pair to go with his flush draw.
He could easily have a lot of things.
And for the record, top pair (with anything but an ace kicker) doesnt fit the conventional definition of wa/wb here, as i understand it.
"Way" usually means 2 or fewer outs. If his kicker was clean, he'd have 5.
That's 2.5*[way]!
(and 5 outs is worth protecting against)
Also keep in mind that if he does have an overpair, he is still paying you off. Or in other words, he ISNT viewing this as a wa/wb necessarily, meaning that you have every reason in the world to raise.
The rationale for just calling when its wa/wb is because worse hands will fold to a raise and better hands will be all over you.
In this situation, you get action from both worse and better hands... and there are much more worse hands than there are better.
ya my definition of wa/wb is much more liberal than most people's, bad terminology here. <5 outs is my wa/wb... but I wasn't advocating calling here.
I think I should just stay away from advice giving on these limits perhaps, I simply don't picture him showing up with A2 to a 5xBB raise OOP.... maybe suited connectors but A2 is just too garbage of a hand for me to expect to see here.
You must have TERRIBLE table selection skills if you rarely see calls like that.
Not just for the micros either. There will be people making far worse calls than that, for stakes far higher than im sure you play.
Not just for the micros either. There will be people making far worse calls than that, for stakes far higher than im sure you play.
QUOTE (Abbaddabba)
You must have TERRIBLE table selection skills if you rarely see calls like that.
Not just for the micros either. There will be people making far worse calls than that, for stakes far higher than im sure you play.
Not just for the micros either. There will be people making far worse calls than that, for stakes far higher than im sure you play.
hopefuly one day I'll know as much as you, until that day I'll keep grinding it out.
Im just saying - you probably play against players who are much better than they have to be. And if you can beat them, then good for you. But for most of us, flush draws and even straight draws are very real possibilities on this board, because the people we play against DO call large raises preflop with trash. Even at stakes much higher than this.
Ive seen people at 10/20 games (live admittedly) making calls for 10x the bb with A2 offsuit.
Ive seen people at 10/20 games (live admittedly) making calls for 10x the bb with A2 offsuit.
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