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.5/1

Hand 1:
UTG (145)
Me(115)

UTG limps, 1 call from MP, I'm CO with KK. raise to 5. folds to UTG reraises to 12. (Damnit. Now many times I see this being AA, but more times I see if being a mid pair thinking that I'm stealing which I do very often) I contemplate popping it again but I smooth calll thinking that UTG will put another bet in regardless of the flop. My read is here that I'm way ahead.(GOOD/BAD)??

FLOP: J 5 6 two diamonds.
He checks. I bet 30, He check raises all in. I???? Damnit.

Hand 2:
me in CO (110)
Button (55)

UTG limps I raise to 5 with 88. Button reraises to 14. ( no read on button really). I call.

FLOP: j 7 6 rainbow.
I....???? push???

Hand 1: Basing this on your read, you're way ahead, which normally you are. UTG limping with AA would be just dumb unless he really expected a raise behind him at some point. That would all depend on the table texture and how things have played out up to this point. However, you got what you wanted (him putting in another bet). You're behind JJ, 55, 66, AA at this point. It'd be funny if he had AKd where he'd have 12 outs (kind of makes it coinflipish with you still being a favorite). Anyway, you're calling $73 to make $190 or getting 2.5 to 1. If he hit a set I don't see why he's already trying to scare you off and I can't really see Aces..meh, maybe, Queens perhaps? I might have to call this bet.

Hand 2: pot sized bet, any action back I fold it.

He has about 50 left and pots about 35. I can't fold if i bet the pot and he folds can I?

I haven't read replies.



Eh. It's possible you stubbed your toe on a set of jacks.

I probably call.




Check/raise, maybe. Depends on the reads.

Check/fold, maybe. Depends on reads.

I don't lead out. Especially with a push.

You're only going to get called.

Whatever you do, do NOT check/call--that's the definition of weak tight, especially on this flop.

It's hard to say without reads..do you have any?

Well, it's .5/1 A pot sized bet of $24'ish (which I think the pot is at now) would commit roughly 25% of your stack and half of his. What is he calling with if you're pushing everything in now?

Sorry I was remembering it in my head wrong. Was thinking the preflop action was to 15. Pot's 26ish here.

I think i have the action or pot sizes wrong. Really sorry. trying to put the hand together best i could from last night's memory.

I remember thinking that villain had about roughly $10 over a pot size bet. I think his stack might have been more like 55 and the raise was to 14. I'll edit my post to try to pin it down.

Basically, given this... C/R doesn't work cause he's likely to push.

Reads, none really. he was an aggressive player, but there were other people I were focusing on that were more dead money than he was.

In this instance, I just put him all in.

It gives him the chance to fold a worse hand, and if he calls, we might, just, have the best hand, though, it's likely we're beat.

Havent read replies.


Hand 1 he can only have AA QQ or AdKd I think.

You are Way ahead of QQ, way behind AA and a marginal favorite over AdKd.

I fold.


Hand 2 I check fold

Would your line be to fold preflop?

FWIW, mine would be.

of course you're way ahead. the more money you get in at this stage of the hand the better. don't flat call to try to conceal your hand strength with the amount of money thats currently in the pot, because the pot is middle sized and any bet you put in post flop is going to be around 1/3-1/2 of your stack and unless an Ace falls you are going to have a very hard time getting away from your hand. if he out flops you on a pretty unscary board you are gonna have to get your money in there virtually everytime as an underdog post flop.

dont be afraid of being outflopped or running into aces. as soon as he checkraises-- he's representing a decent hand, its time to come over the top and drop the hammer. move in, or half your stack, and call a push of course.



scott insta calls. then spikes a king on 4th and does a "justice turn" dance



im either folding this or moving in here preflop, simply because this guy is a shorter stack. we don't have the implied odds to call and hit a set if we put him on a higher pp. it just boils down to the player then. if hes a maniac, i feel this is a pretty easy reraise all in. if he's pretty tight and i feel im beat im folding. the flop push is interesting to me. so you hope he has overs not including the jack? he will half the time. the other half he has a pocket pair bigger than yours. so in the case of overs hes folding and the pocket pairs hes calling. with a flop push, nothing calls you that you have beat that i can think of.



im doing things differently preflop in these situations, i havent read replies i am going to see where everyone else is at. feel free to weigh in if you think im off base.

chief

I'm not usually pushing all in here as I'm likely to get called. My usual line here is to take a long time to hit the fold button preflop. This was just a hand that I got fancy with and was looking to see whateverone thought

I'm with you, I don't think moving in should even be considered.

I didn't realize the raise was to $14 preflop. With no reads (so difficult to analyze without reads) I fold pre flop given the stack sizes

Different scenario, though, what if these were deeper stacks?? Would seeing a flop for $7 more dollars be that horrible? Immediate odds may not say so but what about implied odds? Just curious as to your thoughts and throwing out there how stack sizes can totally change plays.

Absolutely. With deeper stacks I think this is a must call pf. Flopping a set vs AA means you bust him.

keeping the preflop raise sizes the same, if i have 88 pf, i would call the reraise if the opponent had at least 70 or 80 in his stack i think (is 80 too conservative) anyone call if he has less. assume we still have him covered.

No because villain has defined his hand. AA-1010 and AK.

Edit: Yes, because villain has defined his hand. I thought u had asked the question in the negative.

If we're assuming villian has AA or KK we are going for maximum value on this hand. Do we think we can get his whole stack from hands like that..it could be if the villian has trouble letting go of AA or KK. Granted with a stack of $55, it's not worth the call pre flop but what if the villian has 70 or 80.

We are also assuming, for simplicity, we let the hand go if we don't flop a set (88% of the time) but we're going for his whole stack if we believe he won't lay down overpairs like AA: So what's the EV for making this call?

Implied Odds argument

Villian - $70 stack size

(70 * .12) - (9 * .88 )

8.4 - 7.92 = +0.48 EV

Villian - $80 stack size

(80 * .12) - (9 *.88 )

9.6 - 7.92 = +1.68 EV

What if the villian has a similar stack to ours?

(110 * .12) - (9*.88 )

13.2 - 7.92 = +5.28 EV

If the villain catches a higher set, what are you going to do anyway? That happens, but I think it shows how stack sizes in combination with opponent types can change an easy fold to a possible call.

Disclaimer: I realize this is simplistic, but I'm only trying to show how stack sizes can vastly change decisions from -EV to +EV...looking forward to counterpoints

Basically, I think we're trying to figure out how much we need to make on this hand to warrant calling $9 more pre-flop to at least break even over the long run, which would be $66 at least.

(66 *.12) - (9 * .88 )

7.92 - 7.92 = 0 EV

If you believe you can extract at least $66 from this hand then make the call pre-flop.