SB: 37/18/2.7 80 hands
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: BB is BB with [Kc], [8h].
8 folds, BB calls.
Flop: (8 SB) [8d], [4c], [4d] (2 players)
SB checks, BB bets, SB calls.
Turn: (5 BB) [Qd] (2 players)
SB checks, BB bets, BB calls.
River: (9 BB) [2s] (2 players)
SB bets, BB calls.
Final Pot: 11 BB
I need HU help.
Full Version: blind on blind vs a maniac
I have some problems with this myself. Thats one of the many reasons for playing 6 max :wink:
His check on the flop confuses me a bit. If he is aggressive, i expect him to bet. Mike Caro says...be careful when a bluffer checks to you. Now, when he raises on the turn i think im releasing my hand. We could be drawing dead there. Doesnt seem like a bluff to me. Capped preflop, weird check, c/r on the turn...that must be trouble.
His check on the flop confuses me a bit. If he is aggressive, i expect him to bet. Mike Caro says...be careful when a bluffer checks to you. Now, when he raises on the turn i think im releasing my hand. We could be drawing dead there. Doesnt seem like a bluff to me. Capped preflop, weird check, c/r on the turn...that must be trouble.
I like the pf and flop play.
I think I might check/behind on this turn. This card could have easily helped him and it feels like your walking into a c/r here a lot.
If I bet the turn, I'd grungingly call down. No way I'm not seeing showdown here.
I think I might check/behind on this turn. This card could have easily helped him and it feels like your walking into a c/r here a lot.
If I bet the turn, I'd grungingly call down. No way I'm not seeing showdown here.
Screech, why would you pay him off?
I agree checking behind on the turn is probably best. You c/c the river?
I agree checking behind on the turn is probably best. You c/c the river?
QUOTE (Verdimme)
Screech, why would you pay him off?
I agree checking behind on the turn is probably best. You c/c the river?
I agree checking behind on the turn is probably best. You c/c the river?
I pay him off because he's an aggressive player in a blind battle. The board isn't very dangerous, the pot is getting large, and we may well have the best hand. I also don't want him to think he can run over me in the future.
QUOTE (screech)
I like the pf and flop play.
I think I might check/behind on this turn. This card could have easily helped him and it feels like your walking into a c/r here a lot.
If I bet the turn, I'd grungingly call down. No way I'm not seeing showdown here.
I think I might check/behind on this turn. This card could have easily helped him and it feels like your walking into a c/r here a lot.
If I bet the turn, I'd grungingly call down. No way I'm not seeing showdown here.
I like that turn idea.
It induces a river bet as well.
This hand wa good practice, glad I posted.
I was going on purely on his stats and not looking at how the board/action went as much.
He had A4.
bummer.
When people are the preflop aggressors and check an absurdly safe flop, it generally means that they hit a big piece of it.
Like when the flop comes AA4 rainbow, and an aggressive player who 3bet your late position raise out of the blinds check/calls the flop. Anyone with a hand that missed there is going to bet, knowing full well that most hands in your range missed too, and you'll just fold to a bet. But clearly that isnt what they want; so thinking that they're brilliant, they check/call and attempt a check/raise on the turn.
As mike caro would say;
DISapoint ANY player who... by ACTing WEAK... wants you to caaaalllll
It's usually just best to check behind on the turn and call a bet on the river with virtually any pair unimproved, since there's at least some chance that he's 'tarding it up by not putting in a continuation bet. Not enough to even consider getting value though. You want to show down a pair as cheaply as possible.
Like when the flop comes AA4 rainbow, and an aggressive player who 3bet your late position raise out of the blinds check/calls the flop. Anyone with a hand that missed there is going to bet, knowing full well that most hands in your range missed too, and you'll just fold to a bet. But clearly that isnt what they want; so thinking that they're brilliant, they check/call and attempt a check/raise on the turn.
As mike caro would say;
DISapoint ANY player who... by ACTing WEAK... wants you to caaaalllll
It's usually just best to check behind on the turn and call a bet on the river with virtually any pair unimproved, since there's at least some chance that he's 'tarding it up by not putting in a continuation bet. Not enough to even consider getting value though. You want to show down a pair as cheaply as possible.
QUOTE (Abbaddabba)
When people are the preflop aggressors and check an absurdly safe flop, it generally means that they hit a big piece of it.
Like when the flop comes AA4 rainbow, and an aggressive player who 3bet your late position raise out of the blinds check/calls the flop. Anyone with a hand that missed there is going to bet, knowing full well that most hands in your range missed too, and you'll just fold to a bet. But clearly that isnt what they want; so thinking that they're brilliant, they check/call and attempt a check/raise on the turn.
Like when the flop comes AA4 rainbow, and an aggressive player who 3bet your late position raise out of the blinds check/calls the flop. Anyone with a hand that missed there is going to bet, knowing full well that most hands in your range missed too, and you'll just fold to a bet. But clearly that isnt what they want; so thinking that they're brilliant, they check/call and attempt a check/raise on the turn.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. I don't have a lot else to say here, honestly, other than be VERY wary when a preflop raiser checks the flop. Period.
i know actuary was eager to put this guy in his place, but can't we just fold this, especially since it full ring? in a 10 handed game i tend to avoid blind confrontations as much as possible.
QUOTE (Wingmaster05)
i know actuary was eager to put this guy in his place, but can't we just fold this, especially since it full ring? in a 10 handed game i tend to avoid blind confrontations as much as possible.
well, hmmm....
You want to fold right off the bat when he raises preflop ?
I'm hoping to play higher limits one day and Blind play will be critical. I figure practicing now can't hurt.
IMO, folding this to his raise preflop is bad. Horrible.
Had to dig deep for this one 
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The things Screech point out have some merit. However, i think that in 1/2 6 max people are not conciously trying to run you over. I think calling down for this reason is maybe better applicable in the 3/6 games Schreech plays.
Given the action, i still think we need to fold this turn. Paying him off has no merit on this level imo.
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The things Screech point out have some merit. However, i think that in 1/2 6 max people are not conciously trying to run you over. I think calling down for this reason is maybe better applicable in the 3/6 games Schreech plays.
Given the action, i still think we need to fold this turn. Paying him off has no merit on this level imo.
it's full.
and that makes your point to not call down more valid; however, look at his stats.
and that makes your point to not call down more valid; however, look at his stats.
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