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Actuary
6 hands on villan.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A:spade:, Q:diamond:.
2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T:club:, 9:heart:, 4:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 6:heart: (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 3:spade: (3 players)
Hero ?

we can

A. B/F
B. B/C
C. C/F
D. C/C

obviously some are closer than others.
screech
C>D>A>>B

C and D are fairly close.
Actuary
that's the order I thought.

need a couple more BB's in there or a read to make D > C, imo.

betting out does make the decision easier, though.
I also like betting because it lets villan no that his middle pair-ish hands are facing a bet on the river. No free showdowns. Any value to that?
not at this level against most palyers, right?
TJ_Eckleburg
I kinda thought A.

Can you tell me why check/folding or check/calling are both better than bet/folding?

And what is a textbook situation for a river bet/fold?
Actuary
TJ.

IMO, if pot bigger, b/f better than c/f.

c/c better if we think he bluffs mised draw. It's close here to c/c, based on board, I think.

I just think the pot is too small here to try to fold a better hand (AK usually raises preflop, our best chance hand to fold)

Any made hand is calling while draws are folding, or bluff raising, yuk.

that's how I see it.
TJ_Eckleburg
I need to work on the intricacies of bet/folding turns or rivers, but without developing FPS.

I occassionally bet/fold turns OOP HU with KQ/KJ overcards that missed flop and turn, usually in 4.5 BB pots.

Rivers confuse me though.
screech
QUOTE (TJ_Eckleburg)
I kinda thought A.

Can you tell me why check/folding or check/calling are both better than bet/folding?

And what is a textbook situation for a river bet/fold?


Most of these players are loose passive. The way to beat them is quite easy. Cut back on your bluffs/semi-bluffs, and value-bet relentlessly.

Once these guys make it to the river, they aren't going to fold for 1 more bet with a made hand. Betting accomplishes nothign since the only hands that fold are ones you beat anyways.

Now, if we had a read that our opponent was a good player, we should still usually check/fold this river. Occassionally we will have to check/call since he made have a busted flush, and occassionally we will have to bet/fold so that he can't call down with weak pairs with impunity because he knows if we will check the river without a made hand (he can fold say bottom pair if we bet because it means something).

But most of the time the play here is to check/fold. Now if the pot were bigger, the play would now be close between a check/fold and a check/call because you have a bluff catching hand. You should still never bet against a loose-passive, and you should limit your bets against a good player because he will be more inclined to call you down with any pair because of his pot odds. However, you can occassionally throw in a bet vs a good player if he's seen this bet-bet-check line from you. Know when you bet, you may push him off very weak hands that are better than yours because he thinks you will bet this river only with a made hand.

Most of the time, you should be betting hands worse than ace high OOP on the river. Something like a Jack high busted flush would be much better to bet, because now there are a lot more hands that beat you that you may fold. The bluffing success rate goes up. I usually reserve ace high hands for picking off bluffs.
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