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Nightwolf
Sorry, I don't have a hand converter.

BoDog $5/10 Omaha Hi

Hero: Q icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif

Villian raises to $30, 6 callers.

$210 in the pot.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif

Action checks around to me, and I raise $75.

It folds around to the original raiser, Villian, who calls. He's a pretty aggressive player, but nothing too outragous.

Turn: 2 icon_suit_club.gif

I pot it for $360, and he calls.

River: 9 icon_suit_heart.gif

Really ugly card. I check, he moves all in for $765. I thought he might have missed his flush draw, but that 9 could easily have busted my straight.

Call or Fold?
alexanbo
I think I call... of course I'm a newbie to Omaha and the pot on this hand is the same as my bankroll at the moment.

It sounds like he raised in early position preflop. Doesn't this usually indicate a big pair? If it is a big pair it probably has at least one suit if not 2. In any case if that preflop raise does indicate a big pair, I think that decreases the chance that he has 10, 8 a whole lot, especially considering you already have an 8.

Also if you play this hand isn't this board about as good as it gets for your hand? I don't think you can call an all in if that last card is a spade for example, so if you're going to worry about a 9 hitting you have to be equally worried about a 10,9,8,7,6,5,2 as well as any spade?
Nightwolf
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Also if you play this hand isn't this board about as good as it gets for your hand? I don't think you can call an all in if that last card is a spade for example, so if you're going to worry about a 9 hitting you have to be equally worried about a 10,9,8,7,6,5,2 as well as any spade?


Good point, anyone else have some insight?
Deepkoncntrtion
W/o stack sizes or any reads it's quite hard to comment on this hand. The only hand that has u beat is 10 8, which is a plausable hand for villian.

Once you decide that you want to play your hand after the flop, you have to play it strong. Instead of betting $75 on the flop, I would of potted for $200. You need to punish middle set or top 2 when he doesn't have much to go with it, other than a gutshot(10 8 ) or flush draw. If he smooth called your flop bet, I would repot on the turn for $630. By taking this line, the villian has to stick in almost 80% of his stack to see the river. This way if a scare card comes, you are getting more than enough pot odds to call the rest of your stack off, and you don't have to guess whether he is making a move or not.

Again, w/o any reads it is very tough to give advice on the river. You are out of position and villian could be drawing to all sorts of hands. He could be calling w. a set & flush draw or the made str8 with flush draw. Once you pot the turn, he know's exactly what you have...or at least he should. If he had the same hand as you and a flush or higher str8 free-roll I think he would of re-potted. That's why I think the pot-bet on the end was a move.

This hand is extremely difficult to play out of position, as there are so many draws that beat you. This is when your reads come into play. The more tricky he is, the more I am inclined to check fold on the flop, as I don't want to play for my stack OOP. Even though you hold the nut str8 on the flop, you are still a big-dog to a variety of hands such as J1098 ds in 1 of the suits.
Nightwolf
Sorry, I don't remember the exact stacks. Villian was probably about $1k, and I was sitting at about $1500.

One guy said he folded pocket Ts, and the Villian admitted that he did make a move once he missed the flush. I figured there was too much out that would beat me to call his river bet.

It was a good play on his part. And you're right, I felt I underbet the flop. I'm still learning Omaha.
....Ian....
yea i would pot the flop. but i dont know what i'd do on that river either unless i knew the guy was a stealer



i'm still new: is this a good idea?: blocker betting the river......say like 1/2 the pot or even 1/3?
TJ_Eckleburg
Do you put him on 89T with no spades for the two check/calls?

Definitely an ugly card.
Deepkoncntrtion
QUOTE (TJ_Eckleburg)
Do you put him on 89T with no spades for the two check/calls?

Definitely an ugly card.


I think an 89T hand would of repotted the turn, @ these limits the players want to get all of their opponents stack in w. the current nuts and a freeroll.
That way, they don't lose equity when a scare card comes on the river and their opponent mucks when they pot or value bet it.

If OP potted the flop and then potted the turn for $630, the pot would be $1260 on the river, so even when the villian moves in for his last $495, OP is still getting the right odds (~3.5-1) to call. If you can attribute a 30% chance that villian is bluffing, the call would be +ev. Obviously, this would change if you had better reads.
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