Does anyone know how to deal with these gaybets?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A:club:, Q:spade:.
4 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 3:club:, A:diamond:, 9:diamond: (3 players)
SB bets, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5:club: (2 players)
SB bets, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T:diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Any thoughts?

Zach

what are you doing if 3 bet on turn?
and he leads river?
and he checks river?

Hmm.. Call 3 bet, check/call river?

What would you do in this situation?

Zach

I call the turn.
Call river or bet/call if checked to.
I don't think that my way is better.
I'm just hating a 3-bet on the turn and I want to encourage worse hands to continue.

Reasons I gay-bet: My hand is strong; and I think the villan might be raising the flop for a free card. I wait for a safe turn to bet.

I'm not sure why others gaybet.

I can read this as he's charging you to draw on the trun in case you were rasing for a free card. Then when you raise (semi bluff, maybe, in his eyes, or you have legit hand) he gets nervous about his weak Ace.

If villan has 77-88-TT-JJ (passive ?) you might win less if he can fold

I hate my hand if he 3-bets; but calling down is good; getting 5.8:1. ooh boy.You have to call turn 3-bet for all the outs you may still have.
Then the river will be 12:1, so call.

That explains another reason I don't raise the turn. Timidness.

That's how.

A turn bet like this often indicates a made hand that doesn't want to give a free card to a flush draw.

If you are 3-bet, consider folding.

Edit: scrap that.

It's very player dependent.

You might have to call and fold the river UI.

There's a theme I need to get a grip on.
Face aggression with agggression then fold/backdown to re-re-aggression.
I tend to face aggression with passiveness, unless I can handle re-re-aggression. When a 3-bet makes me hate my hand, I don't raise. I miss lots of value; but I save mouses.

I can't fold the river with TP2K
I can't fold the turn with our outs
I don't raise turn.

Ok, while I know not to be results-oriented, but he ended up have q5 offsuit here... :shock:

He bet the turn when he made bottom pair :shock:

And he called on the river with it....

Is this typical of these players? If so, I don't know how if can be unprofitable for me to raise this turn for value. Hell, he could be doing this with a weaker Q, or anything.

I don't know, maybe this guy was just worse than average.

Zach

welcome to my world.
You are ready for 6 Max.

don't be so eager to share results.
lets others opine.

I know once you have my opinion, thats's enough.
But new guys like Screech like to try to test their wits as well.

cool.

Yeah, fair enough... lol

I really think that is something that could be used as a part of the discussion here though. As in, nobody is putting him on that hand, so maybe it happens more than we think that we are still in the lead. I don't know. I was just thinking it could add to the discussion, and maybe broaden the range of hands we put him on.

Zach

Small Blind probably has a weak ace or a flush draw. Well played.

*edit* read replies...
I still like your line. I still like my read. I probably call the turn if 3-bet and call the river too. If he 3-bets I'm most likely not betting the river if checked to.