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SomethingWicked
Limit 3/6 Kill (Live)

SW is BB - 2 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_spade.gif

Fold around to button (no read)
Button raise, SB fold, SW call.

Flop: A icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif

SW- bet, Button raise, SW reraise, Button cap, SW call

Turn: 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif

SW bet, button raise, SW reraise, Button calls.

River: K icon_suit_club.gif
econ_tim
go at least 5 bets on the river
pokerplayer24
QUOTE (econ_tim)
go at least 5 bets on the river


Yep, no way he has AA as he didnt cap the turn. Looking at some kind of 2 pair or decent A most of the time here.
SomethingWicked
QUOTE (pokerplayer24)
QUOTE (econ_tim)
go at least 5 bets on the river


Yep, no way he has AA as he didnt cap the turn. Looking at some kind of 2 pair or decent A most of the time here.


That was my reasoning behind reraising the turn. If he doesn't cap he doesnt have: AA, 45, 77. He'd most likely have: AK, AX (2,3,4 or5). He could be over playing a large pocket pair but its very unlikely.

*Note: I've been on a horrific losing streak. Lost on the bubble in 4 tourney's to less than 5 outers. twice to a 2 outter. This was my last hand of the day for the live game. That I started at 100 buy-in flopped two mid sets and was outdrawn. Blinded away and outflopped by lower kickers to 3 dollars. Battled back playing tighter than the virgin mary on this live game, and had just hit even when this devilish hand appeared.
oceansize
a set is a set is a set. especially here, you got no flushes or str8's to worry about (he's not raising, one would think preflop with 45), your hoping he has two pair and goes the capped bet on the last round of betting. the only thing that beats you is a higher set (a freak) and i'm betting that his initial raise preflop signified more A good side card than a pocket pair of 3, 7, K, or A. And that is a beautiful thing.
SomethingWicked
It had me smiling. :-)
SomethingWicked
I'll go ahead and post the results of this hand.. When he called the turn raise, I pretty much, didn't think he had AK or AX, I hoped he did and overplayed his hand, but I was skeptical. His play makes absolute sense if he has 33 and only 33. I bet the river and he called. Before, showdown he cussed and said "You have that damn str8 dont you" and rolled over the only hand I couldn't put him on. Pocket 3's.
oceansize
ooooooooo, that's a thumb in the eye alright...ouch.
mk
this is obviously an ace much more often than 33. you played it fine. don't let it get you down.
pokerplayer24
QUOTE (SomethingWicked)
I'll go ahead and post the results of this hand..  When he called the turn raise,  I pretty much, didn't think he had AK or AX, I hoped he did and overplayed his hand, but I was skeptical.  His play makes absolute sense if he has 33 and only 33.  I bet the river and he called. Before, showdown he cussed and said "You have that damn str8 dont you" and rolled over the only hand I couldn't put him on. Pocket 3's.



Only losing 4 bets between the turn and river here is just about the best case scenario.
SomethingWicked
QUOTE (pokerplayer24)
QUOTE (SomethingWicked)
I'll go ahead and post the results of this hand.. When he called the turn raise, I pretty much, didn't think he had AK or AX, I hoped he did and overplayed his hand, but I was skeptical. His play makes absolute sense if he has 33 and only 33. I bet the river and he called. Before, showdown he cussed and said "You have that damn str8 dont you" and rolled over the only hand I couldn't put him on. Pocket 3's.



Only losing 4 bets between the turn and river here is just about the best case scenario.


This is true. However, I thought about all my decsions carefully after the hand and the only thing I think that I could have done differently is reraise preflop with my pocket 2's to show strength. That may have been enough to get him to lay down his trips on the river even with pot odds to call. Fearing a set of Aces or Kings. But, I do believe I played it well regardless.
econ_tim
QUOTE (SomethingWicked)
This is true. However, I thought about all my decsions carefully after the hand and the only thing I think that I could have done differently is reraise preflop with my pocket 2's to show strength. That may have been enough to get him to lay down his trips on the river even with pot odds to call. Fearing a set of Aces or Kings. But, I do believe I played it well regardless.


You shouldn't evaluate your play based on what happens in a particular hand, but rather what happens on average (or at least what happens on average against a given player).

Reraising 22s preflop isn't going to be the right move on average, and it would be a very bad player indeed who folds a set of 3s this hand no matter how strong you seem.
SomethingWicked
QUOTE (econ_tim)
You shouldn't evaluate your play based on what happens in a particular hand, but rather what happens on average (or at least what happens on average against a given player).

Reraising 22s preflop isn't going to be the right move on average, and it would be a very bad player indeed who folds a set of 3s this hand no matter how strong you seem.


It would be an extremely weak player to lay down a set of 3's on the river in this hand. He obviously thought he was beat on the turn to 45 or AA. Reraising had actually crossed my mind preflop because of the manner in which he raised. The reason why I said that I didn't think he had AK or AX is because of this preflop raise, which seemed more like mid pockets raising to steal the blinds. After the flop this gets distorted because on average, as you've stated its usually "big ace" / Ace rag.

You shouldn't evaluate your play based on what happens in a particular hand, but rather what happens on average (or at least what happens on average against a given player).

True, to a fault, in that you must analyse what happens in a particular hand to gain a better understanding of your own play based on your read/betting/table image. I had played aces three times and the action was very similar. Therefore, he may have layed down this set. But, you are right on average its not likely.
TheIceman05
QUOTE (SomethingWicked)
True, to a fault, in that you must analyse what happens in a particular hand to gain a better understanding of your own play based on your read/betting/table image. I had played aces against him twice and the action was very similar. Therefore, he may have layed down this set.


Never. Unless he sucks beyond words.
SomethingWicked
You would be surprised as hell.
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