Actuary
Monday, December 5th, 2005, 5:59 PM
Villan, preflop 3-bettor is 42/10/1.6 after 40 hands
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)
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Preflop: Hero is MP with J:heart:, K:heart:.
UTG calls,
Hero raises, UTG calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (10.50 SB) Q:heart:, A:club:, 5:club:
(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks,
Button bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (6.25 BB) K:club:
(2 players)
Hero checks,
Button bets, Hero calls.
River: (8.25 BB) 8:diamond:
(2 players)
Hero checks,
Button bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 10.25 BB
I get lost a lot.
I like showdowns.
screech
Monday, December 5th, 2005, 6:58 PM
nothing else you can do.
pokerplayer24
Monday, December 5th, 2005, 9:41 PM
What about bet/folding the turn here? If we get raised we are drawing to 4 outs max so seeing a river is pretty meaningless.
Actuary
Monday, December 5th, 2005, 10:13 PM
QUOTE (pokerplayer24)
What about bet/folding the turn here? If we get raised we are drawing to 4 outs max so seeing a river is pretty meaningless.
Why aren't my K's, J's and 10 outs?
pokerplayer24
Monday, December 5th, 2005, 10:23 PM
QUOTE (Actuary)
QUOTE (pokerplayer24)
What about bet/folding the turn here? If we get raised we are drawing to 4 outs max so seeing a river is pretty meaningless.
Why aren't my K's, J's and 10 outs?
If the board reads AQ5Kwith 3 clubs out and we got 3 bet preflop what realistic hands are we behind that gives us the full set of outs. We are drawing to 4 outs max vs AA KK QQ AK KQ, 5 outs vs A10 and 2 outs to win and 4 to split vs AJ o yea and 6 outs vs AQ which is basically our best case scenario.
Actuary
Monday, December 5th, 2005, 10:58 PM
bet fold did come to mind.
Hence my "I like showdowns comment"
Given he rarely raises a worse hand, I see your point.
Again, I'm not good at figuring ave outs on fly.
I need 5 to call when I'm good on river.
Given I'd raise if a T hits, sometimes I make 2 BB.
Mattnxtc
Tuesday, December 6th, 2005, 12:15 AM
havent read replies...what sort of hand can u put him on?
in my mind u need to bet/fold the flop or even the turn....Hes not overly aggressive post flop so hes gonna let u know what he has
Actuary
Tuesday, December 6th, 2005, 12:33 AM
QUOTE (Mattnxtc)
havent read replies...what sort of hand can u put him on?
in my mind u need to bet/fold the flop or even the turn....Hes not overly aggressive post flop so hes gonna let u know what he has
it's SH. His 3-bet PF doesn't have to mean much
I have a gutshot draw on flop. You want to fold?
Mattnxtc
Tuesday, December 6th, 2005, 12:40 AM
iknow its sh..thats why i get aggressive early...hes passive enough post flop that if he has an ace good kicker hes gonna let you know about it...if not then the turn gave u the best hand and u win more money...
screech
Tuesday, December 6th, 2005, 5:20 AM
This guy is about as aggressive as your average TAG. He just limps in a lot more pf.
Bet/folding this turn is a mistake. If we bet, and get raised, we have to call getting 9.25:1. I really don't see the point in betting the turn, since we are probably going to get raised. If you think we have some FE, a c/r works a lot better.
He can't have every hand we fear. He probably doesn't have a flush, because of the Ac and Kc are out. If he has a set of aces/kings, he can't have a club, so we have 4 clean outs. We will likely make up 2 bets on the river, so we can profitably call the turn.
The worst case scenario is that he has a set of Q's with a club, or AxQc/KxQc. In this case, we're drawing to only 3 outs. That won't happen often though.
Occassionally he will raise a hand like AJ/AT, or even JcJx/TcTx for a free sd.
The best play on the turn would appear to be a c/c. The river is good and bad news. If you were ahead on the turn, you're ahead now. C/c, and hope he has a pp.
Actuary
Tuesday, December 6th, 2005, 8:11 AM
another point to emphasis, imo, is he's the button.
He bet the flop after everyone checked and after he 3-bet preflop.
It's not hard evidence of an Ace, especially SH.
I could very well be ahead on the turn.
And if so, he's probably drawing thin, and I make more (lose less) by c/c.
I thought betting turn, in case I'm ahead, to charge a FD made sense.
But I usually get a bet from him anyway.
Being OOP, with few outs prehaps, I did not like c/r turn.
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