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Billy
I wanna know how you would have played this hand? Maybe I played it too strong? My thinking was that the opponent was on a draw so I wanted to make him pay to catch. And I honestly could not have put him on the hand he had (by him calling pre-flop raise). I didn't really have a read on the opponent from previous hands. But he was playing a lot of hands and always trying to get in cheap.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 (t2900)
CO (t1590)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t3140)
BB (t670)
UTG (t2510)
UTG+1 (t3430)
MP1 (t4330)
MP2 (t2490)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9:diamond:, 9:spade:.
1 fold, BB calls t120, UTG+1 calls t120.

Flop: (t450) 7:club:, 4:heart:, 5:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets t160, UTG+1 calls t2240.

Turn: (t6430) 2:club: (2 players)

River: (t6430) 2:diamond: (2 players)

Final Pot: t6430

Results in white below:
Hero has 9d 9s (two pair, nines and twos).
UTG+1 has 8d 6d (straight, eight high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t6430.


Yup, he flopped the straight..

Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated.
WonderfulSplash
I think you have to fold this flop. His raise to 750 forces you to push or fold, and with a marginal overpair your only getting called by hands that beat you. I just don't see any reason to risk 95% of your stack with blinds that low and only a decent hand.
bmcarter
I like the fact that you bet the flop, although I think it could have been a little bigger. I think his raise on the flop definitely lets you know that you are beat. I would have thought he had flopped a set of 4s or 5s. I think it's a definite fold after he raises - you can wait until you have a stronger hand to bust him.
The Bwaves
QUOTE (Billy)
I wanna know how you would have played this hand? Maybe I played it too strong?  My thinking was that the opponent was on a draw so I wanted to make him pay to catch. And I honestly could not have put him on the hand he had (by him calling pre-flop raise).  I didn't really have a read on the opponent from previous hands. But he was playing a lot of hands and always trying to get in cheap.

I've already found your problem!  It's not a huge mistake but something to consider next time when this arises.  Players who play a lot of hand and always try and get in cheap are LOOSE players.  Loose players can at any given time have any two random cards.  Your going to want to have a stronger hand against a tight player but since he is playing loose, playing a lot of hands, which is a sign of a weak player, you don't have to give him as much credit.  Pre-flop you can be almost certain you have the best hand with 9's.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 (t2900)
CO (t1590)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t3140)
BB (t670)
UTG (t2510)
UTG+1 (t3430)
MP1 (t4330)
MP2 (t2490)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9:diamond:, 9:spade:.    
1 fold, BB calls t120, UTG+1 calls t120.

Flop: (t450) 7:club:, 4:heart:, 5:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets t160, UTG+1 calls t2240.

Ouch, missed your set.  It's okay though because most likely your opponent missed his hand too, bet out and if you get re-raised your beat, if you get called your opponent has something good enough to call with, with that board.  UTG raises to seven fifty, this is your sign to run.  If he was bluffing he most likely would have just pushed all his chips in middle.  But instead he raises a decent amount, time to get out.

Turn: (t6430) 2:club: (2 players)

River: (t6430) 2:diamond: (2 players)

Final Pot: t6430

Results in white below:  
Hero has 9d 9s (two pair, nines and twos).  
UTG+1 has 8d 6d (straight, eight high).  
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t6430.  


Yup, he flopped the straight..  

Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated.
Billy
Yeah I see all your points. It wasn't until the hand was over that I really took time to examine it. I think if I woulda just took my time before pushing I could've layed it down. Thanks for the tips.
TJ_Eckleburg
You bet 1/3rd the pot out of position on a coordinated board on the flop.

Nobody drawing to beat you is going to fold, and for heavy action it's likely you're already beat.
AlanBostick
QUOTE (Billy)
I wanna know how you would have played this hand? Maybe I played it too strong?  My thinking was that the opponent was on a draw so I wanted to make him pay to catch. And I honestly could not have put him on the hand he had (by him calling pre-flop raise).  I didn't really have a read on the opponent from previous hands. But he was playing a lot of hands and always trying to get in cheap.


I like the preflop raise. Once the BB calls, the early-position limper is offered a tempting situation, so you have to credit the limper with a wider range of hands than you might if the BB had folded.

Your post-flop play is terrible. You need to bet out more -- at least half a pot, probably more. I would bet something like 300 in this spot. Your opponent raises a substantial amount, almost a pot-sized raise. What do you think he has? You say you had put him on a draw. Is that a reasonable way for your opponent to play a draw?

There's a strong argument for folding here. An overpair to the board is a decent hand, but it isn't a monster.

Here are some key differences between this hand and the one I posted last night, about pocket tens against a board that had all sorts of draws:

(1) In my hand, I feared many strong draws but relatively few made hands. In your hand, a straight is already possible, and 8-6, while weak, isn't so bad as to fall into the "any two cards" category. (6-3 is less likely because it sucks that much more.)

(2) My hand was about a four-way pot, where the dangerous draws are more likely to be out there.

(3) My most dangerous opponent made a weak(-seeming) raise, whereas your opponent made a strong raise.

(4) I had all my opponents covered, whereas your opponent had you covered.

(5) When the action came back to me, raised, because of my opponents' stack sizes the betting had already passed the inflection point -- all the chips were going into the middle on the turn if they hadn't on the flop. Even with your opponent coming over the top at you, neither of you were pot-committed.

(6) (very important) My hand was in a cash game; yours was in a tournament.
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