3/6 ring

loose game with definite traces of aggression.


four limpers, sb limps, i raise in the bb with K Q , all call.

(12 sb) J 8 7

sb bets, i ...


raise or call? i don't think folding is any good.

aseem

Call.

I don't think raising is any good because of flop texture.

Call, your out of position and the board likely hit limpers with some kind of draw, pair or better, so your likely not knocking anyone out of the pot with a raise unless they were going to fold to 1 bet anyways, so it probably won't buy you free cards.

Call.

Jeff

I say raise here, you have position on sb,also you might drive out the 2 limpers and get it heads up it could also buy you 2 free cards. either that or fold it.

Why raise? You want to get it heads up with K high and only runner draws? Call and re-evaluate the turn. If it bricks i'd check/fold.

raise to drive out gutshots and maybe get 2 free cards, either that or dump it,

i dont see just calling here.

You would take a free card if you got it HU?

yes if I was to continue with this hand , I only have 2 overs with backdoor draws.
If I can get to see river for only 1BB I think raising is a good option here.
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If we raise and get it HU, we will be getting 8:1 on our semi-bluff, against a villian who probably doesn't like his ace high too much.

I still call the flop, but if I raise, I'm betting this turn every time.

Lets replay this hand,Aki raised this from BB, sb bets out, he has to have a piece of this flop.

If Aki isnt going to fold this hand on the flop (which I might) then raising flop to buy free cards and possibly drive out gutshots,and hands like K7,K8,Q7orQ8 doesnt seem bad to me.
I would bet turn then if a Q, K,Ace any diamond or any 10 hits or check it down and see free river, I dont think sb is going to fold turn or river if he has top pair here , after all he did bet out flop.

The problem is you'll get 3-bet on the flop fairly often which puts you in a tough spot when deciding whether to continue with the hand in the first place on the flop and another tough decision if you hit one of your outs on the turn.

Everybody knows about the free card play by raising the flop and it certainly does not work against me on a ragged board like this.

I agree that getting 3 bet is possible,if that happened I would more than likely dump it right there and then.

by just calling flop the only it gives 2 limpers odds to call behind you with alot of combinations.

If turn card was the 9d, then your faced with flat calling turn with the odds of getting raised and 3 bet back to you, then what do you do here? you would have a gutshot and a flush draw with 1 card to come and it would cost 2 1/2 BB to see river.

raising flop might give you the info you need, and also get a cheap showdown if you dont improve on the turn. Not saying flat calling is all that bad but I think raising is better if you are going to play this hand.

I would either raise it or dump it.

just my 2 cents :wink:

Calling definitely beats raising, IMO.

A raise is good if: Somebody has K8, K7, Q8, Q7 AND they fold to our raise AND one of the two outs we cleaned up hits AND our hand turns out to be good. This is a longshot parlay. There are a few other benefits to a raise (possibly knock out hands with potential redraws if we hit, improved fold equity if we bluff later), but I don't think these benefits outweigh the extra SB we have to put in.

I think folding here would be a little weak compared to calling, but not by much.

i think raising into 4 others is going to get ugly for us real fast.

i don't hate folding there. we have the odds to continue for one bet, but given the flop texture, our position, and the multitude of redraws if we do hit our overcards, i dump it right there.

a better question is why not raise seriously though I would raise. assuming someone doesnt have 2pair you r not in bad shape. raise to see where you stand

You don't have to raise to know that sb currently has you beat.