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Actuary
too agg or just right?

3rd hand or so, no reads.

Not normally this aggressive HU... really thought I might get free card.and did
I'm including the river in case there're opinions.
Don't let it influence the rest of course.

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Preflop: Aggro is BB with T:heart:, 8:heart:.
1 fold, Aggro calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K:diamond:, 3:heart:, A:heart: (2 players)
Aggro bets, MP calls.

Would a c/r accomplish my goal better?
I thought leading out into this draw heavy board would represent a stronger hand.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)
Aggro checks, MP checks.

River: (5.25 BB) 2:heart: (2 players)
Aggro bets, Aggro calls.

Risk 2 to win 1 more here?
Had he bet the turn I would have. But it occurred to me he might have wanted a free card as well.
Playing the basic odds, it's an easy 3-bet/call; but during the hand maybe I got scared and implied too much from his action

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

unorthodox for me.
GodOfEntropy
I don't mind your leading out, but HU I do not think you have an equity edge to 3-bet this flop OR lead the turn, unless you are trying to set the table up later when you play your made hands from EP the same way. River looks good.
Actuary
I know I don't have an equity edge!

I'm hoping for a free card OOP.
And, hence I don't lead the turn.

I'm kinda torn about the river.
If I 3-bet there, it really helps to justify the prior action. (unless I'm beat :cry: )
I give my opponents credit for checking on the turn and raising when I "obviously" hit the flush.
pokerplayer24
I don't like the 3-bet on the flop. Even though you got a free card here I don't think you're getting a free card here often enough to justify the 3-bet.

Flush draws are tough to play in heads up pots especially OOP when we have no overcard outs. I think by 3 betting if we do hit the flush on the turn our chance to get a checkraise in is severely hurt so we're losing value. Between our bad equity on the flop and being unable to checkraise the turn if we hit I think that leads to the 3-bet being -ev.

The river i'm just bet/calling as well unless i'm up against a total donk. Its just way to obvious that we just hit our flush / have a monster. Thinking this over I think its tight. The fact that our opponent checked behind on the turn makes me think he has to have a better flush something like 33% of the time here in which case hes going to cap.
GodOfEntropy
Understood - do you only attempt these free card plays against certain types of players? In the 6-max games I play at, if I checked this on the turn, I would be facing a bet from MP.

EDIT: I play flush draws a lot more weakly but it seems to me that just calling the raise on the flop, check-calling a turn bet, and check-raising on the river would be the most profitable of all lines.
Actuary
I have no "usual" play here.
that's why I posted.


crap.
Just had my first 30 BB down swing in a long time at 6 Max.
Bad table selection.
Actuary
well...

up 28 BB's since I posted that.

6 max is great.
Canada
QUOTE (Actuary)
I have no "usual" play here.
that's why I posted.


I like it. After he calls the flop I lead the turn too, only because its heads up.

On the river I like to have a read before 3-betting.


QUOTE (Actuary)
crap.
Just had my first 30 BB down swing in a long time at 6 Max.
Bad table selection.


Wait for your first 200BB down swing. Thats when you realise that you should have a supply of spare mouses on hand laugh.gif
Actuary
QUOTE (Canada)
I like it.  After he calls the flop I lead the turn too, only because its heads up.

On the river I like to have a read before 3-betting.


QUOTE (Actuary)
crap.
Just had my first 30 BB down swing in a long time at 6 Max.
Bad table selection.


Wait for your first 200BB down swing. Thats when you realise that you should have a supply of spare mouses on hand laugh.gif


I thought afterwards that HU OOP, fold equity might trump the occasional free card. Fear of a raise here, kept me in check. I thought he might be clever and have just called the flop 3-bet to set this turn up.

I know I was being ridiculous!
Especially for 6 Max variance.
But it's just been a cake walk so far because of the horrifc players.
Table selection is key; and its very easy to know you got a bad/good one.

My style also tends to be lower variance.
pokerplayer24
QUOTE
Wait for your first 200BB down swing. Thats when you realise that you should have a supply of spare mouses on hand Laughing


I use a laptop the day I ever go on a 200 bb downswing i'm gonna have to dip pretty deeply into my spare laptop supply.



So he end up having a high flush here or just raised like Ax?
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