jojopiff
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:14 PM
I dont know how to use the hand converter so I just copied and pasted? I am rather new to limit, been playing mostly no limit so please go easy. I had only played about one revolution or so. I don't know if I was too aggressive on the flop and if I should bet the river.
$1/$2 hold 'em, nine-handed
Preflop: Hero is button with Q

J

. MP2 posts to play.
[i]
3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (5 SB)
SB bets, SB calls.
Turn: (11 BB)
SB bets, SB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.
River: (15 BB)
SB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks,
Hero checks.[/quote].
akishore
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:15 PM
ok, good you took out results.
aseem
DrZebra
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:16 PM
indeed
DrZebra
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:16 PM
ditto
jojopiff
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:19 PM
QUOTE (DrZebra)
you really should manually convert and ask what you want to ask and not post results. i can't read that garbage.
Could you tell me where it is at or give a link?
akishore
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:24 PM
jojopiff, copy and paste this into your original post.
(click quote at the top right of this post, copy the whole thing, then click back on your browser, then edit at the top right of your first post, replace the hand with the paste and submit.)
$1/$2 hold 'em, nine-handed
Preflop: Hero is button with Q

J

. MP2 posts to play.
[i]
3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (5 SB)
SB bets, SB calls.
Turn: (11 BB)
SB bets, SB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.
River: (19 BB)
SB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks,
Hero checks.
akishore
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:26 PM
you should be raising this preflop. you have the best position on the table with a hand that does well in the multiway pot that will most likely exist. exploit your position by raising.
you can also value bet the river. don't be scared, people don't always have the flush. and if they do, big deal, you lose a couple of bets. don't play scared poker.
aseem
jojopiff
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:31 PM
QUOTE (akishore)
you should be raising this preflop. you have the best position on the table with a hand that does well in the multiway pot that will most likely exist. exploit your position by raising.
you can also value bet the river. don't be scared, people don't always have the flush. and if they do, big deal, you lose a couple of bets. don't play scared poker.
aseem
Thank you for the help with the converter. Should I be jamming this flop?
pokerplayer24
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:33 PM
Raise preflop.
I'm jamming the flop as well. On the flop pairs, 2 pairs sets, straight draws and flush draws are all sticking around, which isn't happening if a scare turn card comes.
Turn is fine.
Bet the river. If someone bets I understand you just calling it but please bet this river once its been checked to you.
akishore
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:35 PM
QUOTE (jojopiff)
QUOTE (akishore)
you should be raising this preflop. you have the best position on the table with a hand that does well in the multiway pot that will most likely exist. exploit your position by raising.
you can also value bet the river. don't be scared, people don't always have the flush. and if they do, big deal, you lose a couple of bets. don't play scared poker.
aseem
Thank you for the help with the converter. Should I be jamming this flop?
why wouldn't you?
aseem
royal_elliott
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:37 PM
why wouldn't you?
Doesnt get much better when you're holding the nuts and theres a bet and raise in front of you. :-)
royal_elliott
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 2:37 PM
why wouldn't you?
Doesnt get much better when you're holding the nuts and theres a bet and raise in front of you. :-)
Actuary
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 3:22 PM
First of all this is in the entirely wrong forum.
Up here we deal with $2/4 and higher.
Trying to apply that higher level game strategy to $1/2 is outrageous.
Fortuneately, I recently played $1/2 and will do my best.
1. Raise this preflop 100% of the time, for Value against these weak-ass limpies
2. Flop was terrific. Flush draws must pay the max. And gut shots to splits (Qx) as well. Sets..etc....
3. Turn. Perfect
4. River: Bet/Call. Maybe someone is waiting in the wings with a Flush and you lose two bets; more often a worse str8, two pair, scared set, A9, calls..3x. It's close but againt 3, I want to bet for value. Remember, if you've lost the pot, you've lost whether you bet or not..so we're just talking about losing 2 or wining 1-3.
The looser/passive they are, the more you bet the river
thanks for converting, you did a nice job!
Except the pot on the river is 19 BB's.
Even more reason to Bet/Call. Why? Because your opponents are likely to call with just about any hand given this pot size.
******* read replies *********
cool. we agree.
For all of us who have/had trouble value betting. To me it is/was a partly psycological. As if betting and getting raised or not, but losing, cost me the whole pot. As if I woulda won the pot otherwise. Weird. When in actuality, against some opponents, they may actually fold the best hand when I bet ( I have AQ, they fold K4 bottom pair in a 9 BB pot because they never hit their kicker) ..carry on.
akishore
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 3:24 PM
QUOTE (Actuary)
thanks for converting, you did a nice job!
i converted it, jerk!
QUOTE (Actuary)
Except the pot on the river is 19 BB's.
er... no i didn't...
aseem
pokerplayer24
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 3:45 PM
QUOTE (Actuary)
First of all this is in the entirely wrong forum.
Up here we deal with $2/4 and higher.
Trying to apply that higher level game strategy to $1/2 is outrageous.
Fortuneately, I recently played $1/2 and will do my best.
As in within the past 2 hours ? :roll:
And 1/2 is really pretty similar to 2/4 and 3/6 thought I guess we can't have the forums split into everything 3/6 down and 5/10 up.
Actuary
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 3:52 PM
you took me seriously?
No, wait, I fell for it.
You were joking, too.
ok. cool
For a minute there I was worried.
dreamcaster
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 7:19 PM
Raise pre-flop.
Rest looks fine.
Reads Responses...
Yeah, it looks like I'm a river wimp.
Value betting on the river is a leak of mine. I'm doing it most of the time but am freezing up on scary river cards or when facing aggressive with a good but not nut hand.
Back to SSHE I go.
Actuary
Tuesday, November 22nd, 2005, 9:39 PM
in all honesty, with 4 others seeing this flop, and the aggression on the flop and subsequent relative passivity on the turn..
I too check this river.
It completes and OESD and the FD.
I don't think we get paid off often enough to make up for the times a twicky villan is looking to c/r. (CO is my guess)
Maybe being later, I'm tired. But this is my new stance.
convince me and I may change back.
Edit: ok..most of the time they will bet out, afraid of the check thru... but with so many left to call the CO can get greedy and envision 6 bets here.... it's tough for me.
TheCinciKid
Wednesday, November 23rd, 2005, 11:08 AM
QUOTE (Actuary)
in all honesty, with 4 others seeing this flop, and the aggression on the flop and subsequent relative passivity on the turn..
I too check this river.
It completes and OESD and the FD.
I don't think we get paid off often enough to make up for the times a twicky villan is looking to c/r. (CO is my guess)
Maybe being later, I'm tired. But this is my new stance.
convince me and I may change back.
Edit: ok..most of the time they will bet out, afraid of the check thru... but with so many left to call the CO can get greedy and envision 6 bets here.... it's tough for me.
We can beat the OESD that it completes. The only thing we're really afraid of is the flush here. I too am very tempted to wuss out on this river, but I think Sklansky, Miller, et. al. would tell us to value-bet. I'd say the line is probably bet/call. I think reads could also be very helpful in a situation like this.
Actuary
Wednesday, November 23rd, 2005, 11:18 AM
QUOTE (TheCinciKid)
We can beat the OESD that it completes.
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Bet/Call.
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