say it’s 6 Max, .5/1.

I have K6 in BB

MP limps, Button limps, SB completes, I check

Flop (4 SB, 4 players)
K, J, 5 r.

SB checks, I bet, MP folds, Button raises, SB folds, pot (7 SB) I call

I never 3-bet here.
I always call down.
If my kicker was better and the board was draw heavy, I might stop-n-go the turn.


help.

I don't play 6-max, but I'll throw in my 2 cents anyways.

I would raise it up. If he's on a draw and wanted a free card he calls. If he has a J he calls. If he has two pair or a better king he caps.

Maybe?

A better king doesn't necessarily cap it, in my experience they just call down after I take the lead, this is a problem with me too.

I think the answer lies somewhere close to whether we can ever find it in us to fold TPWK in a 6-max game, because I find it extremely difficult unless the board makes it very obvious.

why are you calling down with such a weak kicker, without a specific read, in a small pot, on a draw-light board?

c/f the turn bay-bee.

aseem

Really?

Maybe it's a leak of mine but I'm usually bet/folding the turn or check/calling down depending on my opponents. Granted, agianst some opponents I will check/fold this turn, but it's not my usual play.

I find many opponents will frequently raise here with any Kx, Jx, QT, some pp's, and a slew of other strange holdings.

i'd say it's a leak. you resign yourself to pretty terrible effective odds since the pot is so small. you have a not-great hand on a fairly draw-light board and again, the pot is small.

really, you would c/f this in ring, wouldn't you? six max isn't so massively different to warrant doing something else in this situation.

aseem

Yeah, I'd fold this in a full game.

I just find a lot of 6-max players are overaggressive. While the game itself is not radically different, a lot of players who play it think it is. This causes them to do strange things, so we have to adjust ourselves.

Against normal opponents, I would fold here. But most of the players that play 6-max aren't normal. Against these players, I think check/folding the turn is giving up too much. We are getting 3:1 to call down after the turn. Against opponents who would raise here with Jx, this is one of the easiest call downs in the world.

as i said, i need a specific read to call down. if someone is overaggressive, yes, i call down. without a read, i don't.

aseem

I'm the other way. I guess I'm not as trusting as you are. Or maybe it has to do with the particular feel of the games we play in.

Screech is correct.

In fact, I've read 6 Max advice that suggests raising 2nd pair here. I'm certain I would lose money by folding TPnK at .5/1 against most flop raisers.

I'm making money off of two types of villans at 6 Max:
1. The auto betting/raising LAG, who you can always get at least 3-4 BB's from on the big streets
2. The super LPP who folds in 9 BB pots every time on the river..and my UI AQs wins.

Absent a specific read at 6-max I assume my opponent is a super LAG. Seriously I think the average 6-max .5/1 player I see has a vp$ip between 60 and 80%. And the vast majority of them will bet with any pair. They all "bluff" so much that they typically think anyone else's bet is also a bluff.

OOP like this I tend to call it down. Call it a leak if you like but I think I win way more than 50% of them. Obviously not a habit you can take to higher limits.

exactly, concering the "they think all bets are bluffs"
Which could explain why they call down with bottom pair in small pots all day.

you can value bet like crazy at .5/1 6 Max.

maybe it's game selection, but i tend to assume, even in six max, my opponents are passive postflop unless i find out otherwise.

because seriously, they are. in my games.

they're still LOOSE as in they will call down with bottom pair. but they won't raise with a hand that i--on average--can beat here.

aseem

even 6 Max ?




What does on-average mean ?
Does it take into consideration the pot odds?

lol, that was too easy.




our almost negligible pot odds? yes.

on average means my average pot equity against opponents' range of hands.

please keep in mind this is a draw LIGHT board!!!

and a tiny tiny pot!!



aseem

1. I don't read good!

2. It's 8 BB's once I get done calling down! :wink:


seriously,

Come Play 6 Max .5/1 on Party Poker

6 Max

.5/1

on Party.


calling down 3:1 with TP is +EV..so far.

lmao.

we say "your effective odds are 12-to-2 or 6-to-1, you gotta call down!"

now it seems that it doesn't matter what the X is in X-to-1, it's automatically good enough to call down.

3-to-1 effective to call down is NOT exactly great.



and believe me, if i played at your table, i wouldn't fold bottom pair to your semi-bluffing, three-betting, naughty, dirty self you.

aseem

no, I'm just saying against these guys it is.

I don't call down getting 3:1 with this garbage in the full games I've encountered.

And, really, I don't call down 100% of the time at 6 Max either; but w/ no read I do.

Now get off my case and go after the guys folding getting 27:1.... :shock:

I suspect that most of the people I play against in 6-max learned all they know about poker from watching the WPT - "The only way he's going to win this pot Vince is by firing away at it". They're passive with strong holdings and aggressive with nothing. Then there are those that call down with 10 high and say "I thought you were bluffing".

This is why I find it a lot easier to checkraise in these pots. If you get 3-bet you can check fold the turn unimproved and be pretty sure that you were up against a better hand.

I could definitely incoporate that tool more often.
I use c/r now for two situations (and they are more often utilized in Full games with more oppoents seeing flop)

1. To build a pot with a big draw and the expected bettor in on my left
2. To protect my vulnerable Mid Pair + Over and BDFD and the bettor is (hopefully) on my right

I need to implement it in situations such as this perhaps and get comfortable.