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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T:club:, T:spade:.
1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5:club:, 2:spade:, 4:diamond: (4 players)
SB bets, Hero......

fold, call or raise?

Def not folding. 3-betting or cold calling and seeing wat the sb does are both options. I think you're ahead to often to just fold this flop.

i don't think folding is an option here either. i was really torn between calling and 3-betting.

I guess you can call down here. You could 3-bet and fold the turn UI if it gets capped. I think I like that a little better than calldown, not sure though. I'm thinking I'm probably behind at this point.

I'll go with raise.

I really stink at palying mid-upperish pairs well.
So susceptible to over cards.

this flop would seem quite ideal.

BB's pre-flop call of two cold makes me think he has hit a set; but often he would wait until the turn to raise.

SB could have overs or 99-AA, obviously.

Folding MP3 and maybe SB is worth a try in this big pot.

I'm in the 3-bet/call cap, fold turn UI camp.

How would you guys play it if MP3 wasn't in the hand?

same.

btw, I'm not folding the turn/river UI if I get it HU.

Do you think there's any advantage to just calling and seeing how sb reacts?

I know one thing about LHE and that is....
I only make money because I play against horribler players.
oh, and I hit flushes a lot.

I realize I know very little how to play "perfectly" in these situations.
My heart tells me that TT hates company in big pots and would like to see AK fold. Some say, AK won't/shouldn't fold getting about 10:1 to call, and a gut shot; and I tend to agree..but I can hope he folds his equity away.
I'll find out on the turn if AK or overpair/sets and I can fold then.

You're not the only one.

I have absolutely no idea whether it would be better to call if MP was in, or better to 3-bet. (I think everyone agrees the 3-bet is best with MP behind us). That's why I'd like to get a discussion about it.

Benefits of raising:

1) We define our hand early/cheaply
2) We may get sb to fold at least a 6 outter
3) Value

Benefits of calling:

1) We get to find out how sb reacts to bb's raise. I think he's more likely to 3-bet a hand like QQ here then to cap it if we 3-bet. (we may still be behind and not know it if we 3-bet and he simply calls.
2) If sb calls, it is very likely he has a big ace. We can then use the turn raise to really put pressure on him/setup a free showdown.


That's all I can think of for now. Anyone have anything else to add?

i ended up calling the 2 cold.

i really wanted to see what the sb's reaction was to the bb's raise. i had no real reads on either player but when the sb 3-bet pre-flop i imediately had put him on a big hand (there wasn't much aggression at the table in general).

the bb's pre-flop call really had me perplexed. when he raises this flop i start to wonder if he flopped a set. i can't see him calling 2 cold and then raising this flop with anything other than a big pair or a set.

i don't think sb is betting out here with a hand like AK. knowing i intially raised pre-flop and that he's still facing 3 players i would think he would check this flop and hope to take a turn for cheap.

i was pretty sure that sb wasn't going anywhere if i 3-bet and that there was a good chance the flop was going to be capped by either him or the bb which leaves me to folding the turn UI.

so i called with the thinking that the information would outweigh the value.

these are tough spots to be in, where yo have an overpair but your overpair isn't big, and you have information that someone else might have a bigger overpair.

but, as always, we rely on maxims to help us get by:

we win money in these games because we are AGGRESSIVE. we ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK.

here, we need to get aggressive. let MP2 fold some overcards. pot is big enough that we can invest one more bet on the chance that we have the best hand and need to protect it.

i RE-raise, BITCH.
(said with strong southern/black accent like on "tilt".)

(insert obligatory "bay-bee" somewhere.)

aseem

i disagree, yo.

bb is often raising here with an overpair as well--the flop is freaking 5 high!! a set is much more likely to be slowplayed, and instead, the bb probably cold-called with 66-99 and thinks "holy omg wtf bbq cream my pants, i have an overpair".

anyone that three-bets big cards (AK, AQ, etc.) is going to be freaking leading out. please, son, don't give me this trash about "sb wouldn't bet AK on this flop."

and the information doesn't outweigh the value. information at these levels is very often unreliable. i would argue that you definitely should not fold the turn UI without further evidence that you're beat.

raise it up, bay-bee!

aseem

good point, dogg.




would you 3 bet AK in this spot pre-flop? would you then lead into 3 people on this flop?

i hope your answer goes yes and no, homey.



i think you might be right. if it gets capped by sb and called by the bb are u folding the turn UI if it goes bet/raise again?