I guess I called turn looking for the fullboat on river?

Was this stupid?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Whatever is Button with [Jd], [Jh].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Whatever calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) [5c], [Ac], [8c] (5 players)
SB folds, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Whatever checks.

Turn: (8 BB) [Jc] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Whatever calls, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (11 BB) [2d] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Whatever folds, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Well played. Definitely have odds to try and boat up on the river.

Would anybody else have bet this flop? You just let anyone with a small club have a free card to beat you. If someone had an ace they most likely would have bet into you. If you bet and someone raises I think its a pretty safe fold (player dependent but almost always).

As played turn is fine with me. I would have probobly raised turn, but its probobly the wrong move. Anyone have any ideas about that? A raise might fold a small club or an ace. But with two players in the hand? Are we ahead of one of them enough to do this (with the other still willing to pay us off)?

Definately raise the flop.

And if it's checked to you on the turn bet and proceed cautiously if check-raised.

I think between the A on the flop, BB's 3-bet preflop, and the suited board, I doubt you're ahead on this flop often enough to bet for value. I like waiting for a safe turn before deciding whether to commit chips here.

You're getting 9 to 1 on a turn draw you only need 3.7 to 1 to call for. Easiest turn call ever.

I'm not betting this flop. There was a 3-bet preflop, there's too many people in the pot, you're not folding anyone, and you have no outs to buy. So it's not for value, and it doesn't improve your winning chances.

well done.

but i think we need a little better than 3.7 to 1. we only have 10 outs there are 46 cards left. leads me to think we need at least 4.6 to 1. (if we don't count river bets.)
we can also asume that an ace or two is gone with the preflop action.
but that's right: easy call.

you forgot to take the 10 from the 46.

Makes it 36:10 = 3.6:1

Aalso assuming there is an Ace or 2 in players hands is a dangerous assumption to make, but lets say we do. Lets give UTG + 2 one as he is the only player to call the turn.

We can also assume he doesn't have AA as he would have raised preflop, and is unlikely to have a pair to the board as he should've bet on the flop with 2 pair

We can also assume that the BB didn't have one because he checked the flop and folded the turn. He would have lead/called with trips, so he doesn't have a pair of any board cards

Also the SB open-Farrelled so we can assume he hasn't even paired the board.

So 1 Ace and likely no board cards in 6 players cards

So now we have 9 outs but only 40 unknowns.

This gives us 31:9 = 3.44:1 which is actually an improvement.

Point is all of those assumptions, mine and yours, are reasonable but not always going to be true.

You can try and go through all of them during the hand then recalc hand odds - but honestly you don't have time and are likely to make mistakes.

The stupid retarded results below:


Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has Js 6s (one pair, jacks).
MP3 has 8h 7d (one pair, eights).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 13 BB.

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