PokerStars (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T:heart:, 3:heart:, A:club:, 2:club:. SB posts a blind of 15.
Hero raises, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Flop: J:club:, 4:heart:, T:club: (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: Q:diamond: (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

River: 2:spade: (5 players)
BB bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button folds.

Final Pot:

What would you have done differently in this hand? Looking at it, i think i should have let go on the turn.

by the time it gets to the turn you are priced in for the call, it is just one bet and all you need is a non-pair club. You must call. Plus a non club K gives you the nut straight, to consider folding here for one bet is a hug mistake.

I agree with the advice above, I don't see how you can fold to one bet on the turn. I think a call on the flop might be a good option. I usually jam with the nut low draw and the nut flush draw, but with just the flush draw here and the low being back door, I think I may just call and try and make my cheaply.

had to call the turn with nut flush draw + gutshot straight draw at the turn.


and i think the flop would've been capped anyhow by the two guys.

good line

definately jam that flop. not only do you have huge scoop potential w/ the nut flush draw and nut backdoor low (w/ counterfeit protection), but you most likely have the most pot equity out of all 5 players.

easy turn call and easy river fold.

You were drawing on the flop, you don't want to make your draw expensive and you want to keep as many players in as possible to make your draw profitable (fortunately you've got so many chasers calling for you).

Many players overvalued their drawing hands and had no idea what they were talking about.

Good luck.

i think folding anywhere before the river is a huge mistake.
as for pushing the flop, i think you gain value if you can make the pot heads-up, but since that seems unlikely, i don't push that flop.

i just signed up for pokerstars and have been playing the 5+.5 0/8 and PLO/8 SNGs so might see you around.
gotta warn you though, 3 wins in 7 tourneys! for a lifetime total of...4 wins. haha. still no 2nds or 3rds which is quite odd since i usually play conservatively and just try to cash.
oh well. can i get a TP/MM?
haha
daniel

you definately want to play this hand multiway. simply because you gain value when others draw to worse pot equity than you. you have the nut flush draw and the backdoor nut low.

by the river, you will make your high 1/3 of the time and your low 1/4 of the time.

1/3*1/2 + 1/4*1/2 = .29

even if your sharing a low, your pot equity is still .23, which makes it +EV to get as much in w/ 5 players as possible.

jam that flop

Nobody has commented (unless I misread) that this hand may look nice UTG, but it really only has 3 of the 4 cards working (the ten is suited, and does work with the ace, but that is about it), but based on the table, is this an automatic call UTG?

What about raising pre-flop with this instead (which is what I may have done if I was going to play it)? Note however that I play what is considered micro O8 according to this website (less than $1/$2 isn't it?)

[quote="Davin"][quote=mrdannyg]
by the river, you will make your high 1/3 of the time and your low 1/4 of the time.

1/3*1/2 + 1/4*1/2 = .29
[/quote]

EDIT:
my math is wrong, it should actually read:

1/4*(1/2+1/3*1/2) + 3/4*1/3 = .41

and if you're splitting low

1/4*(1/4+1/3*1/2) + 3/4*1/3 = .35


so basically, you're jamming this flop w/ 2 or more opponents.
heads up actually you'd rather just call.

[quote="Davin"][quote=Davin][quote=mrdannyg]
by the river, you will make your high 1/3 of the time and your low 1/4 of the time.

1/3*1/2 + 1/4*1/2 = .29
[/quote]

EDIT:
my math is wrong, it should actually read:

1/4*(1/2+1/3*1/2) + 3/4*1/3 = .41

and if you're splitting low

1/4*(1/4+1/3*1/2) + 3/4*1/3 = .35


so basically, you're jamming this flop w/ 2 or more opponents.
heads up actually you'd rather just call.[/quote]

hey, don't attribute your garbage math to me!

seriously though, i looked at the hand again and don't know how you gain any value from playing this multi-way. i think i thought he had AA or something. clearly though he has the equity to play this multi-way.

daniel

the reason he gains value by playing this hand multi-way is simple, many of his opponents have worse (if not dead) draws to his hand. if one opponent had top set and another had middle set, then the guy w/ middle set is basically drawing to one card. Similarly, a guy w/ a worse flush draw is practically drawing dead if they didnt have something to go w/ the flop. a guy drawing to runner runner perfect low is drawing to quarter, and a wrap draw is worse than your nut flush draw since you have great re-draw potential.

you want people w/ these worse draws to put money in the pot. you'll need to improve in order to win regardless of the number of opponents, but by getting dead money such as the hands i've listed to enter the pot, you gain A LOT of value.

conversely, you dont want to play this hand heads up, as you're drawing against just one opponent, so you want to improve as cheaply as possible.