Pokerdad2222
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 12:04 PM
The table is pretty loose for the most part. I have a tight, solid image for the first few hours. The guy to my immediate left is a decent player but will chase his draw at any opportunity for the wrong odds but has been getting paid off which has encouraged him. I am sb, he is bb.. Two callers.
I hold Kc3c. Flop comes k 8 4 with two clubs.
I bet out 20 dollars, guy to my left calls, everyone esle folds. I was pretty sure he was chasing the flush. I had a solid read on him on night and it was pretty obvious. I also had the second nut flush draw so I thought even if he hits I may still have him dominated.
Turn is a K.
I bet out $75 and he called pretty quick again.
The River was the 2 of clubs so I now had the K high flush but was worried about him hitting the ace high flush.
I am first to act, what do I do. Do I bet out, knowing I am going to get raised and call it, do I go all in and let him decide or check and possibly call what he thinks is a value bet. The pot is a little over 200$. I have about 600$ in front of me and other guy has around $1000.
Any thoughts??
Erik67
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 12:35 PM
That is a tough one. I would probably bet $120-150 as a blocking bet and see what he does.
If he raises double, call. If he goes all in, fold.
essay
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Stack sizes?
I would lead into him expecting and calling a raise. He's in the blind. He doesn't need to have the ace to be drawing.
DrZebra
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 12:58 PM
If you think he's been chasing flushes all night, he may think you have a king and any flush is good. you cannot fold this hand if he puts you all in, it's going to cost you in the long run to lay down king high flushes against loose players.
bet 150 and see where he's at. maybe he'll just call and you'll score 500
medaugh
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 1:10 PM
DN has a similar hand in his journal under the Borgata blog. Erik67 pretty much sums up what I would do also.
violaman
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 3:21 PM
So, you've hit just about every card out there and there is a distant possibility that you are beat. Thanks to your read you can run this hand like you want. If you are correct and he had a flush draw, you should check. Don't worry, if he hits, he will bet. If he doesn't bet out, he probably didn't have a hand to call with anyways. Most likely you would just call the river bet, hoping that your king high flush is good, but some of the time if you feel he doesn't have the Ac you could put him in and double through. There are times to get afraid in NL poker, this is not one of them. I think that betting out on the river will get raised equally by nut and non-nut flushes, but the river will be bet by both of those, let him do the betting then.
Tremomey
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 4:00 PM
I agree with Viola here.
I would check the river to him and let him bet.
This serves several purposes:
1) If he doesn't have the flush you can induce a bluff.
2) If he has the Ace high flush you can simply call his value bet.
3) If from his river bet you feel he doesn't have the Ace high flush you can raise.
4) If for some strange reason he slowplayed two pair or a set on the flop and filled up on the turn your are limiting you losses.
I think the worst thing that can happen is you bet and he raises all-in.
Neb41
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 8:15 PM
i think u should bet call
if hure hand is good enough that hel raise with worse (smaller flush thinking u have a king ) but i f u chek and he bets u cant raise (ure hands not that strong) ul just have to call u make more by betting and calling his raise
exdubliner
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 9:07 PM
QUOTE (Pokerdad2222)
The table is pretty loose for the most part. I have a tight, solid image for the first few hours. The guy to my immediate left is a decent player but will chase his draw at any opportunity for the wrong odds but has been getting paid off which has encouraged him. I am sb, he is bb.. Two callers.
I hold Kc3c. Flop comes k 8 4 with two clubs.
I bet out 20 dollars, guy to my left calls, everyone esle folds. I was pretty sure he was chasing the flush. I had a solid read on him on night and it was pretty obvious. I also had the second nut flush draw so I thought even if he hits I may still have him dominated.
Turn is a K.
I bet out $75 and he called pretty quick again.
The River was the 2 of clubs so I now had the K high flush but was worried about him hitting the ace high flush.
I am first to act, what do I do. Do I bet out, knowing I am going to get raised and call it, do I go all in and let him decide or check and possibly call what he thinks is a value bet. The pot is a little over 200$. I have about 600$ in front of me and other guy has around $1000.
Any thoughts??
Would he check his option with Ax suited? I don't know enough about this guy, but I still bet pot on the river. I agree with Erik67's suggestion.
Pokerdad2222
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 6:17 AM
Couple of answers to the questions here.
He would only raise with AX with his option if his x were very strong because of the two other callers. They were the type of callers who will limp and call a raise so this is why I thought he may have A high flush.
Watching him play most of the night I knew if I bet he would probably put me all in. Of course looking back I should have done this and if he has A high flush I will take my losses.
I felt like if I checked here and he made a nice bet though I would still take down a nice pot without risking all my chips. Probably the only scared move I made all night.
I checked and he bet $150. I called and he flips over Jc10c and I took down the pot. Of course looking back I wish I would have estracted more chips but thats how it goes.
Thanks for the thoughts
TJ_Eckleburg
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 6:28 AM
Haven't read replies.
Do you put him on the A-high flush draw?
If you bet, you still need to call because your hand is strong... and we don't want to lead into the nuts.
I would check to induce a bluff (or a value bet) and call that.
skoal_dip
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 11:59 AM
You played it well. I actually don't think checking or betting is a bad play here. If you do bet and get raised, you can go with your gut, but the bottom line is, you still have a very good hand, and it really doesn't look lik he has the full.
Scott3705
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Anyone explain bet calling to me here? if we're scared that we're beat, we're check calling right (to keep it cheaper)? bet calling here only makes sense if we are fairly sure we're ahead because it's more expensive.
For the OP who is concerned that villain hit the Ace high flush, check call is only thing that makes sense to me. win you just the same as if you bet and were called by a less hand. Costs you less if you were raised by a better hand.
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