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Tateisgo
$30 NLHE home tournament w/ rebuys and add-ons for the first 3 levels.

Level 6: Blinds are 200/400. 11 players left, 6 at my table 5 at the other. I'm 2nd at chip in my table and 4th in chips over all.

I'm in the BB with A icon_suit_diamond.gif 6 icon_suit_heart.gif and a little over 7,000 in chips. Folds to the button who's the chip leader at the table (very loose aggressive player) with about 7,500 and 3rd in chips over all, he calls. SB calls (tight passive player) with about 5,000. I check

FLOP: A icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif

SB checks.

At this point I'm not hating the flop, but I'm not loving it either. My kickers weak, and I'm not in position. I bet out 400 as an information bet, figuring If I get re-raised I'm probably dropping, and I might be able to go heads up with the button if the SB missed the flop.

Button calls. SB calls.

I'm putting the SB on a weak A here (but probablly a better kicker than me) and the button could have two spades. I've played with the button alot before and have pretty good reads on him. He'd definetly raise here with a 7 or an A with a kicker above a 5.

TURN: K icon_suit_spade.gif

SB checks.

I love the K but hate the spade. The button could definetly have a flush. I check.

Button bets 1200. SB calls.

Ok, my ideas about this hand have changed. I am sure the button does not have the flush (he would have bet smaller here, or checked hoping to trap). I'm thinking he probably has a K with a spade as his kicker (probably a 10 and was on a runner-runner straight draw on the flop) I'm pretty sure no one has the 7 at this point, and the SB definetly doesn't have the flush.

I'm starting to think the SB has a pocket pair here higher than 7's, but could still have the weak A. At the worse I'm splitting the pot with her if a blank comes on the river, but I'm really feeling like I have the best hand right now.

I call the bet still a little scared my reads might be off and I'm being trapped here, and hope for a blank on the river.

RIVER: Q icon_suit_spade.gif

Ouch.

The SB checks, I check, The button bets 800. SB calls, I fold.

Button only shows the 4 icon_suit_spade.gif

SB shows 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif

I ask the Button why he would bet 1200 with a 4 high flush draw on the turn. He says he had a flush and a straight draw. I tell him there's no way he had a straight draw on the turn with a 4 in his hand. He tells me I could have folded. I figure he probably had either an 45o or 34o, and was thinking he had a backdoor straight on the flop.

I get a little pissed off. I don't bother to ask to see his other card. I didn't mind losing the hand to runner runner flush, as much as I was mad I had to lose so much money because of his turn bet.

Should I have check raised the turn all-in here?

Was my flop bet horrible?
Jadaki
QUOTE (Tateisgo)
Should I have check raised the turn all-in here?

Was my flop bet horrible?


Flop bet should have been a bit higher, 800-1000 or so. You are giving them 4 to 1 or better on any draw they might have.

Check raising the turn is horrible. You put one on a flush draw, it gets there and if that is what they have, you are drawing to 4 outs (2 aces, 2 sevens). Putting your chips in with the possibility of drawing that thin is a bad idea.
Tateisgo
QUOTE (Jadaki)
Flop bet should have been a bit higher, 800-1000 or so.  You are giving them 4 to 1 or better on any draw they might have.

Check raising the turn is horrible.  You put one on a flush draw, it gets there and if that is what they have, you are drawing to 4 outs (2 aces, 2 sevens).  Putting your chips in with the possibility of drawing that thin is a bad idea.


If I bet the 800-1000 on the flop and they still call, do I play out the rest of the hand the same way?
Jadaki
If they both call, putting at least one of them on a flush draw would be a logical assumption. I'd say you dump the hand on the turn with your reads since you have no flush redraw of your own.

The other option is you could put out a pot sized bet/bluff on the turn to see if either of them really have the flush.

Personally, I look for a better spot.
copernicus
I dont mind the size of the flop bet, which is typical size for a probe. You arent trying to shut out a draw, youre trying to figure out where you stand.

This is a very dangerous flop. Besides the flush draw there is the set possibility or being outkicked. When the spade hits on the turn and button bets big, I would read it as a low made flush, and he's protecting against a 4th spade hitting the board. I would fold to the 1200 bet with all of the ways I can be behind in this hand or lose it on the river.
Tateisgo
QUOTE (copernicus)
This is a very dangerous flop. Besides the flush draw there is the set possibility or being outkicked. When the spade hits on the turn and button bets big, I would read it as a low made flush, and he's protecting against a 4th spade hitting the board. I would fold to the 1200 bet with all of the ways I can be behind in this hand or lose it on the river.


Normally I'd fold there on the turn, I think who the players were and my reads were getting in the way. I should have picked a better spot and not got caught up in this hand.

If a K of a different suit comes on the turn should I make a big bet (pot size?) if the SB checks?

Should I still be concerned about someone having a 7?

The reason I ask is because I don't play weak A's alot except in the blinds and usually get caught in tough decisions that I normally wouldn't have to make. Also, I'm sure it'll help me to know when it gets down to 3-4 players and I'll be playing them more.
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