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TeeSludge
I just played this hand a few minutes ago..

I have only played one hand prior to this. The Villain to my left has seemed to be semi loose/aggressive.

I'm sorry, can't find hand history...
Blinds 25/50 NL Hold em

Hero (Cut-off)Stack: 1,950
Villain (Button): 2,300

Hero: K icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif

Pre-flop:
Folds to hero,Hero raises to 150, Villain calls 150, SB calls 150, BB folds

Flop: Pot size= 500
K icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif
SB checks, Hero bets 250, Villain calls 250, SB folds.

Turn: Pot size= 1,000
A icon_suit_heart.gif
Hero checks, Villain bets 600, Hero raises all-in for 1550.

Thoughts? Again, sorry about the format.
copernicus
you need to bet more than 250 on the flop. Youre giving the flush draw or A6, A3 proper calling odds. To protect against both button and SB calling you need to bet 500.

The Ah is the worst card that could turn. I would fold to the SB bet. If hes semibluffing with the flush draw and scare card A, sobeit..you wouldnt be in the dark with the larger flop bet.
zimmer4141
I'm confused, how can you c/r against the SB? If he checked, then I'd check behind on the turn, and see what happens.
TeeSludge
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I'm confused, how can you c/r against the SB? If he checked, then I'd check behind on the turn, and see what happens.


Sorry the turn should have read Hero checks, Villain bets 600. SB folded on the flop so I was Out of Position.

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you need to bet more than 250 on the flop. Youre giving the flush draw or A6, A3 proper calling odds. To protect against both button and SB calling you need to bet 500.

The Ah is the worst card that could turn. I would fold to the SB bet. If hes semibluffing with the flush draw and scare card A, sobeit..you wouldnt be in the dark with the larger flop bet.


My standard continuation bet is usually about 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot. I like this amount because I trust my ability to play postflop. In tournaments, I tend to protect my hands from draws on the turn. I don't know if anyone agrees with me on that, but I think that is optimal tournament strategy.

Also, note that I am the one with the Nut Flush re-draw so the Ah isn't necessarily the worst card for me.
copernicus
QUOTE (Tremomey)
My standard continuation bet is usually about 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot. I like this amount because I trust my ability to play postflop. In tournaments, I tend to protect my hands from draws on the turn. I don't know if anyone agrees with me on that, but I think that is optimal tournament strategy.

Also, note that I am the one with the Nut Flush re-draw so the Ah isn't necessarily the worst card for me.


Strongly disagree about not protecting against draws until the turn being optimal, at least while stacks are deep.

You maximize your profit by extracting a price on every street, not just the turn. You also leave yourself open to other hands besides a flush draw getting lucky. Accumulating chips from small victories is optimal.

The Ah is your worst card because it has very possibly put you behind to Aces, instead of just the possibility of a made flush.
TeeSludge
I wouldn't consider the stacks that deep though. If I bet 500 on the flop, I have already put 1/3 of my stack in the pot. I'd rather play small bet poker early on especially on the flop. If I had the other player covered by a decent amount I probably would have bet the pot.

Don't get me wrong I definetely see and understand your point of betting the pot on the flop. In tournaments specifically, I look to protect my hand on the turn. In this particular hand, I didn't feel that the villain had a flush draw when he called my bet on the flop. The Ah on the turn as well as his bet on the turn made me feel like he didn't have a flush.

I appreciate the feedback Copernicus and your thoughts on how you would play the hand. Thanks.
TeeSludge
bump... anyone else have input?
Tateisgo
QUOTE (Tremomey)
bump... anyone else have input?


I don't like the all-in at all.

Based on the way you bet this, I can't think of any reasonable hands where he can put you on a flush other than Q icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif or possibly Q icon_suit_heart.gif 10 icon_suit_heart.gif and he will fold if he has a flush.

If he's got an A the only hands he could put you on where he'd fold is AK or Q icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif and as a stretch AxJ icon_suit_heart.gif or AxQ icon_suit_heart.gif .

Yeah you could have KK, AA, 33, or 66 but it's hard to see a check raise on the turn with a hand like that.

If he's got the flush he'll call, trips call, two pair call.

The only hand he's dropping is a bluff or a pair less than K's.

The way he played this I'm thinking he's got the flush. Maybe a weak A but probably the flush. Either way I'm beat.

I'd probably fold here.

Call if you want to try to catch a icon_suit_heart.gif or Q (if you think he's got the A only). But you can easly get outta this hand with the Blinds still at 25/50 and I think the all-in is just too much.
thebolb33
On that board with your hand I generally bet 3/4 pot on the flop.

On the turn, I'm confused by your check raise. Its hard to give him a flush given that he called a raise cold and the AKQ of hearts are all acounted for. So what hands can he be calling the flop with and then making a big bet on the turn with. The small bet of 250 makes it a possibility he has A6, I guess. but I would venture to say that unless the villian is a total donk and called the flop with A high, he has 66 for a set.
TeeSludge
Mr. Buttsauce, haha

Yeah I think you are right on. I definetely feel I misplayed the hand, although the player I was involved in the hand with also had something to do with the way I played it. When he called my bet on the flop, I felt at best he had a king but thought it was more likely that he had a weaker holding and was looking to take the pot away from me on the turn if I checked to him when a scare card hit. That is the reason for my check-raise on the turn. I figured I may have the best hand and even if I didn't I still had outs to the flush.

You were close on your guess, he had a set of threes. I may have just overthought the situation and gave my opponent too little credit.
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