the red bull
Sunday, November 13th, 2005, 3:34 PM
I am fairly new to 7 stud, and I want to start learning some tips so forgive me if it might seem like easy questions.
you are bring in with (A)(K)2, with one exposed ace and one exposed 2. What do you do?
Again, you are bring in wth (9)(9)2, and there is a 9 in someone else's hand. What do you do?
And lastly, you are bring in with rolled up 3's in a game with experienced, smart veterans. Do you complete it or do you slow-play to make a trap?
iggymcfly
Sunday, November 13th, 2005, 6:39 PM
Actually, this post does bring up a good point. What's the point of completing in the bring-in? I've never done it in my life, and I can't imagine any hand for which it would be an advantageous play.
silvergoose
Sunday, November 13th, 2005, 7:19 PM
From what I hear, there's basically only one type of situation you could possibly want to complete the bringin, and that's in very rare shorthanded tournament situations where the antes are big enough that you need them without a fight and you've got a small pair or three high cards or something.
But seriously, in a full ring game, there are no situations in any stud game where it's a good idea to bringin for the full amount.
KowboyKoop
Sunday, November 13th, 2005, 7:36 PM
QUOTE (the red bull)
I am fairly new to 7 stud, and I want to start learning some tips so forgive me if it might seem like easy questions.
you are bring in with (A)(K)2, with one exposed ace and one exposed 2. What do you do?
Again, you are bring in wth (9)(9)2, and there is a 9 in someone else's hand. What do you do?
And lastly, you are bring in with rolled up 3's in a game with experienced, smart veterans. Do you complete it or do you slow-play to make a trap?
there is no answer to your question, because it is based ENTIRELY on other people's boards, actions, etc....
about the rolled up three's, I'd probably just bring-in for the minimum and slowplay until 5th street if there were only two or less callers, but try and fastplay as soon as possible if it appears you might get three or more callers, as you are more likely to get outdrawn with more players and thus, you can't give too many free/cheap cards.
Rocketwadster
Monday, November 14th, 2005, 5:37 AM
IMO, the only time I think you would want to complete the bring-in yourself when playing 7-card stud (when you are the bring-in) is when you are playing short-handed and have seen your opponents play very passively (hence you are basically trying to steal the antees/bring-in).
Vman96
Monday, November 14th, 2005, 9:02 AM
What about a hand like (AA)2? Depending on the table, should we complete here? At some tables that I play at...if I just bring-in here....I am getting 6 to 4th street. And I would think that wouldn't be a good scenario for AA. :roll:
the red bull
Monday, November 14th, 2005, 3:22 PM
and if you have high pockets with the bring in what do you do?(all undercards on the board)
Phillip_339
Monday, November 14th, 2005, 5:06 PM
I was reading something from a well known pro, about stud, and it basically said what everyone else has saidm there is basically no reason to complete..except when in a short-handed game, hoping to pick up antes. You want to gather as much info as possible, and you can't do that as well as you can, if you complete.
Rocketwadster
Tuesday, November 15th, 2005, 5:05 AM
QUOTE (Phillip_339)
You want to gather as much info as possible, and you can't do that as well as you can, if you complete.
While I agree with that statement in principle, I think you will find that at many of the lower limit games, whether you complete the bring-in yourself, or it is completed by someone else, you will have roughly the same number of players seeing the next card (give or take one player).
oceansize
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 8:01 AM
This is an interesting question. I can't recall a time when I have brought in the full amount ever, unless it was a short handed situation (as many have mentioned).
You can never fail with bringing in for the minimum and waiting for actions. It would be really sweet to have those hands, bring in for minimum and have a lot of action after you so that you could better gauge your next actions.
Some things you are going to want to be aware of as you play is that while you are watching the other players hands and makeing best guesses as to what they are acting with, they are doing the same to you. So in the instance of the rolled up 3's, if you do start to make waves before fourth street, what are they gonna put you on? Three flush, three straight, concealed pair, pair of 3's? Your gonna want to pick to represent one of those images with your fourth street card if your gonna play it. And if you are lucky enough to make the last 3 on fourth or fifth, you are more than likely gonna be put on having two pair rather than trips or the actual quads.
Same goes for the other hands, having low cards in front of you is great for disquising strength, but if you can't move with them believably your gonna get a lot of chasers seeing 7 cards, which is bad news for decent starting hands most of the time.
Just what I think.
Los
dblbassted
Friday, November 18th, 2005, 11:18 AM
I really like Mike Caro's advice here... Do what the players would expect you to do. It's rare to complete the bring in for sure, but the other situations warrant a little more study. If you have (AA)2, then play it like you have an exposed 2. Same thing with rolled up twos. The hard part about playing stud is doing what people expect you to do, not what you expect yourself to do. The exception would be at a micro table where you could reasonably expect 5+ callers.
-Ted
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