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thechad5
Ok so three hands in a row I get a great starting hand. The First hand was A-Q off and as short stack I pushed all in got one call and my hand held up. The next hand I got A-3s and caught a straight without having to do much work aside from a small raise. Finally on hand 3 I once again get A-Q in middle position. I make a smallish raise and get three callers.

The flop comes 10-7-Q. I make a pot sized raise with 2 behind me and last to act calls with roughly 700 left in chips after the call. I have about 2400.

The turn is a blank so I push him all in and he calls with pocket 7s so I am drawing dead.

I suppose I could have checked and let him act but he was more than likely gonna push all of his chips into the pot of 1500 anyway and I can't see how I could have not made the call. What do I do here?
mrdannyg
not enough information, but don't see how you can get off that hand out of position. only thing you could've done was keep the bets smaller, so you weren't pot committed when making your turn bet, but you didn't give blind sizes so not sure if that was even possible.

daniel
thechad5
it was in level 2 of a tourney. 15-30 blinds. I raised preflop to 12o with 3 limpers infront of me. The table was also playing loose as it was a low buy in large tourney.
mrdannyg
QUOTE (thechad5)
it was in level 2 of a tourney.  15-30 blinds.  I raised preflop to 12o with 3 limpers infront of me.  The table was also playing loose as it was a low buy in large tourney.


then no, i don't think you can get off this hand - this advice coming from a poor tourney player, but in a low buy-in tournament, i don't think you are beaten often enough to check/fold here and you cannot make a bet small enough that you could then fold to a raise.

your name is funny. i am the chad.
loogie
There isn't anything you can do on this hand.

Just for future reference, A3s is not a great starting hand. Some would say that AQo doesn't qualify either. (but when you're short stacked it obviously is) When you open the betting after the flop, it's not called "raising", just "betting".

I hope you don't get offended by me telling you these things. I'm trying to save you future grief.
copernicus
I'm more confused by the answers than the question.

This is a typical TPTK vs ? hand, and saying you cant get away from it means that TPTK never lays down (unless the board is even more highly threatening than this one), even OOP.

What was the "smallish" raise? If it was less than 3x BB that was the first mistake. You dont want chasers out of position with AQ, and probably should be more like 4x or 5x BB. The hand would then play out quite a bit differently.

As it was played, a continuation bet on the flop tests at least the first to call behind you as well as the pot sized bet and not only is it easier to get away from, a set may decide it needs to protect against a combination of overpairs and straight draws that may be out there with 3 opponents, and will reraise. There is no need to protect when the bet is already pot.

If you get that reraise its not a difficult laydown. The only hand you beat that is reraising here is a semi-bluff from a straight draw, and I am willing to lay it down.

TPTK is probably the hand that goes broke in a NLHE tourney more than any other, and careful play, not brute force, is the way to maximize them imo. TPTK can be committed to in limit, but either wins a small amount or goes broke in NL...dont let it be the latter.
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