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crazyIvan
Sorry, no hand history from the site so no conversion.

6 player SnG $5 PLO tournament.

About 5th hand into tournament, I'm the BB, blinds are T5/T10.

I'm dealt
A icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif J icon_suit_club.gif 10 icon_suit_heart.gif

4 limpers, SB completes, I raise T20.
Not looking to eliminate anybody, just wanted to get some chips in the pot.

4 callers, SB folds.

Pot is T110

Flop is:
8 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif

I lead out with T40. UTG calls, MP folds, Button calls.

Pot is T230

Turn is 6 icon_suit_club.gif

I check, UTG checks, Button bets T10, I raise T100, UTG folds, Button calls.

I have played against the Button before, and in these cases (very small bet and a re-raise) he usually folds. I now believe I have cost myself some chips early with an aggressive play that didn't work.

Pot is T440.

River is:
A icon_suit_club.gif

I bet T200. Button raises to T400. I push all in, Button calls.

Okay, I'm ready to be flamed for my play, but I'm still learning Omaha and would appreciate your comments.
Geezy
min. raise TERRIBLE.
Zach6668
QUOTE (Geezy)
min. raise TERRIBLE.


Agreed.
crazyIvan
QUOTE (Zach6668)
QUOTE (Geezy)
min. raise TERRIBLE.


Agreed.


Agreed.

Any comments on the rest of it?
Tateisgo
I'm no Omaha expert, but I'll give this a shot since no one else is.

pre-flop min. raise - either raise it 40 or just check here, from what I know of Omaha it's mostly post-flop play that's important so pre-flop raising anything less than 4x is pointless. In fact you actually giving the other players better pot odds to call you when the flush draw flops.

flop bet - again, this doesn't seem like an effective bet. I'm not sure what you were trying to do here, but I'm guessing this is an information bet/semi-bluff? I don't think 40 into a 110 pot with 4 players is strong enough to get any information. Trip 8's is probably the only hand that's going to re-raise you here. Full house will probably trap you on the turn, and you're letting the flush drawers get in cheap. With two callers I'd be very worried on the turn.

Turn - Why did you want to re-raise him here? His min. bet seems very suspicious, especially after smooth calling the flop. I'm putting him on a full house or flush right here and would just call since i'm getting a river card cheap.

River - I like the bet on the river given that i'm putting him on a full house or flush on the turn. Once he re-raises me I'd probably just call because his play has been very suspicious. I'm a little scared of quad 8's at this point, and would just like to get out of this hand without comitting anymore money.

Again, Omaha is not my game, so this advice may be worthless and you might have played it properly. I'd try posting this in the Omaha section for better advice (Not many people post in there but the ones who do know what they're talking about).

What happened to be the final outcome of the hand?
crazyIvan
His minimum bet did bother me a little, except as I said, I've played him before, not unusual for him to bet small, then fold to a larger bet, so it was kind of a half-bluff on my part.

Anyway, he did turn over 88 for quads. Really should have called his raise on the river and let it go, but figured he hit 8s full or the flush.
Tateisgo
QUOTE (crazyIvan)
His minimum bet did bother me a little, except as I said, I've played him before, not unusual for him to bet small, then fold to a larger bet, so it was kind of a half-bluff on my part.

Anyway, he did turn over 88 for quads. Really should have called his raise on the river and let it go, but figured he hit 8s full or the flush.


Omaha is just one of those games where someone is usually holding the nuts.

Last time I reviewed your play, but let me tell you how I think I would play it.
I'm probably check/folding this on the flop. You dont have a strong hand and your redraws are pretty weak (2 outs for the full house or runner runner for a straight 9,7 ONLY otherwise you're in a whole lotta trouble - not that drawing to a straight on a paired board is a good idea anyway). You missed the flop real bad and it might just be time to move on.

If i really feel like it's worth it to take a stab at this flop (like if I pot it pre-flop), I might try to pot it on the flop as well. I don't really think this is a good idea first to act, but It's the only bet I'd make on the flop. If someone calls it I'm check/folding on the turn/river, I'm figuring they're just too strong in order to call there.

If you want good solid advice ask a mod to move this to Omaha. I'm just trying to help you out cause no one was really answering your post, but as I've already stated Omaha is a game I pay attention to but rarely play. I'm sure they're gonna rip you apart over there for your play, but the insights you'll get will improve your Omaha game greatly.
crazyIvan
thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

I have previously posted in omaha, only to have it moved to tournament. I think that trying to get good advice for PLO is pretty much a dead issue. No one wants to comment/give advice for omaha here, which is okay. The nature of poker today is HE, limit or NL, that's just the way it is.

I figured I would get blasted for my play, and that is okay. Can't learn if you don't post your mistakes and learn from them. Of course, most people on this site either want to flame, offer no advice, or ignore the post. Oh well.....
Tateisgo
QUOTE (crazyIvan)
thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

I have previously posted in omaha, only to have it moved to tournament. I think that trying to get good advice for PLO is pretty much a dead issue. No one wants to comment/give advice for omaha here, which is okay. The nature of poker today is HE, limit or NL, that's just the way it is.

I figured I would get blasted for my play, and that is okay. Can't learn if you don't post your mistakes and learn from them. Of course, most people on this site either want to flame, offer no advice, or ignore the post. Oh well.....


Yeah, it's funny how many people here backed DN about the WSOP being the World Series of Hold'em, and how other games should be represented. Meanwhile you can't get any expert advice on Omaha here.
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