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Rhegium
Number 3 on the chip count on the button, raise 50/100 blind to 350 with A icon_suit_heart.gif K icon_suit_club.gif. SB re-raises to 700. Flop comes 10 icon_suit_spade.gif, Ace icon_suit_spade.gif , 4 icon_suit_club.gif. SB is # 2 on the chip count with 9900 and you are 3rd for 9600. SB bets out 2300 and I call. Next is 9 icon_suit_club.gif and he bets 4000, I know he will put me all in next hand no matter what the card so I go all in and he calls. Walked into a set of 10s and busted out.

Would you have laid down this hand at all. I guess I should have on the turn but have no clue.

Also there was 300 left out of 650 and I get rebalanced where 4 of the top 10 chip leaders are on the same table and the others aren't small either. That really sucks. Any sites that don't do this? This was on Fulltilt.
zimmer4141
Once he bet the flop, I probably would've pushed the flop, so probably no way to avoid it. From how he played it, worst likely case he has AK as well, and you chop.
gobears
That's a tough one - the only two likely hands that hurt you are 10's and Aces and he had one of them.

Most of the time, I think that you either chop or win the hand. Just bad luck running into a set from the other big stack.
copernicus
One way to avoid it...dont mess with another big stack, espeically one that reraises, unless you have AA or KK. Fold preflop
shpaget
It's tough, but you need to consider that this guy has, from the SB, reraised your pf raise, and now led into you with a bet larger than the pot.

He knows if you clean him out he's crippled, he's out of position, and you raised preflop, but he's still leading into you huge....and after you called that oversized bet, he's led again with a 3/4 pot-sized bet.

He's either very strong, or very stupid.

It may be hard to get away from it, and I don't know if I'd be that smart, but his oversized flop bet (in conjunction with the pf raise) smells a lot like a set wanting to protect from the flush draw.

Beyond AQ/AJ (And I think they're unlikely), what could he have that you beat?
zimmer4141
QUOTE (copernicus)
One way to avoid it...dont mess with another big stack, espeically one that reraises, unless you have AA or KK. Fold preflop


In a $10k buyin tournament with slow blinds increases and good players, then this is probably the correct strategy. However, in most online tournies, I can't fold AK pf here, and I doubt I can fold postflop either. From what I've seen in online tournies, he could very easily have AQ or AJ, hell, he could even be pushing KK or QQ like this.
shpaget
QUOTE (Zimmer4141)
QUOTE (copernicus)
One way to avoid it...dont mess with another big stack, espeically one that reraises, unless you have AA or KK. Fold preflop


In a $10k buyin tournament with slow blinds increases and good players, then this is probably the correct strategy. However, in most online tournies, I can't fold AK pf here, and I doubt I can fold postflop either. From what I've seen in online tournies, he could very easily have AQ or AJ, hell, he could even be pushing KK or QQ like this.


Not likely...yes, like I said, he could be very stupid, but I doubt it.

Yes, in online tourneys with low buyins there are very stupid players, or simple maniacs....but they are not THAT stupid.

Simply put, you have, in no uncertain terms, told this guy you have the Ace...and, more likely than not, he knows you have a strong ace. He ain't gonna continue his aggression with KK or QQ....and, if you think he does have KK or QQ, then why are you pushing him all in...call him and let him bet again when his 2 outer misses on the river.

He's either got AT, AA or TT, or, possibly, AK like you.

He sometimes has AQ, and even less often has AJ....not enough to profit against the times he has you beat.

Folding a good hand is one of the key necessitiess to winning on an ongoing basis, especially in tournament play - you MUST be able to fold a great hand, or even the winning hand (and forget about it) or you will never win on a consistent basis.
Davin
you must see his turn bet as a huge alarm bell.

you called his flop bet which was 800 more than the size of the flop. he has to put you on at least a very strong ace here. when he bets that turn, you should fold, since i cant see him pushing any hand this hard that's inferior to yours (since he doesnt want to get involved in a big pot w/ nothing against a large stack as well).

call pf, call that flop (which defines your hand to your opponent), fold the turn.

only way i can see of not busting out this hand
copernicus
QUOTE (Zimmer4141)
QUOTE (copernicus)
One way to avoid it...dont mess with another big stack, espeically one that reraises, unless you have AA or KK. Fold preflop


In a $10k buyin tournament with slow blinds increases and good players, then this is probably the correct strategy. However, in most online tournies, I can't fold AK pf here, and I doubt I can fold postflop either. From what I've seen in online tournies, he could very easily have AQ or AJ, hell, he could even be pushing KK or QQ like this.


Could have could have could have, dont mess with other big stacks without the nuts, online or live.
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