DLizzle
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 11:44 AM
When I play limit I bet and reraise a lot of flops with marginal hands, so when I flop a monster I play it pretty fast also to get a lot of bets and not appear suspicious. I think that's pretty standard. But I was wondering how you decide to get as much money in the pot as possible when flop a monster. Your opponent's tendencies obviously are a big factor, but what else. BTW I am not good at explaining myself so tell me if more explanation is needed.
dms26
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 1:00 PM
QUOTE (DLizzle)
When I play limit I bet and reraise a lot of flops with marginal hands, so when I flop a monster I play it pretty fast also to get a lot of bets and not appear suspicious. I think that's pretty standard. But I was wondering how you decide to get as much money in the pot as possible when flop a monster. Your opponent's tendencies obviously are a big factor, but what else. BTW I am not good at explaining myself so tell me if more explanation is needed.
what's your definition of a monster? what position are you in? how many people are acting before/after you, what is the action at that point? what type of players are in the hand? What is the texture of the board?
my point is there is no one way to play a hand, there are so many variables. So I don't think there is one correct answer.
Sluggo
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 2:26 PM
The best way to get money in the pot is to bet and raise. Be straightforward and don't slowplay unless circumstances allow it.
Actuary
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 2:41 PM
QUOTE (DLizzle)
When I play limit I bet and reraise a lot of flops with marginal hands, so when I flop a monster I play it pretty fast also to get a lot of bets and not appear suspicious
would you say you were a Maniac ?
or Tight Aggressive ?
Sluggo
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 2:52 PM
Yeah, what's marginal?
Is it more like middle pair or an overcard or a backdoor straight draw?
DLizzle
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 2:53 PM
6 max, agressive, loose or tight depending on the game, but definetly agressive. Not idiotically agressive, I'm no maniac, but I feel that "maniac" is the table image I portray a lot of the time, which I like a lot.
An example of the kind of hand I am talking about:
This happened today and inspired this thread
I raised from the button with 78 suited which i do often, and got a reraise from the small blind, which doesn't happen that often, so he has a hand, a big one I think. He's doing the auto-raise thing that people always do with aces. I call the raise, flop is 569 rainbow. He bets out as I expected, and normally I might raise here, and if reraised, possibly even cap. Should I slowplay this and wait for the turn? The only thing with that is, he could easily have something like AK, AQ, etc, and slowplaying the flop and waiting to raise the turn might scare him away. Not sure what is the best option here.
DLizzle
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 2:58 PM
hmm, maybe marginal is the wrong word. I get really agressive on the flop with draws, even inside draws if I have additional outs. I looooove a free turn card.
AlphaOmega
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 2:59 PM
This is a vague question and, as some have said, much more information is needed to determine how you should play when you flop your monsters. In some instances you can exploit equity edges on the turn (i.e. waiting for the turn to raise) rather than through showing aggression on the flop. Other times you can get more money in the pot by bloating the pot on the flop and draw more people in, assuming you aren't too worried about getting drawn out on.
Screw it, there's too many variables. Go to your nearest bookstore and purchase SSHE.
AlphaOmega
Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 3:02 PM
QUOTE (DLizzle)
6 max, agressive, loose or tight depending on the game, but definetly agressive. Not idiotically agressive, I'm no maniac, but I feel that "maniac" is the table image I portray a lot of the time, which I like a lot.
An example of the kind of hand I am talking about:
This happened today and inspired this thread
I raised from the button with 78 suited which i do often, and got a reraise from the small blind, which doesn't happen that often, so he has a hand, a big one I think. He's doing the auto-raise thing that people always do with aces. I call the raise, flop is 569 rainbow. He bets out as I expected, and normally I might raise here, and if reraised, possibly even cap. Should I slowplay this and wait for the turn? The only thing with that is, he could easily have something like AK, AQ, etc, and slowplaying the flop and waiting to raise the turn might scare him away. Not sure what is the best option here.
I like raising on the flop. He's not going anywhere for one more small bet, and he could reraise, giving you a lot of information about his hand.
DLizzle
Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005, 7:15 AM
ok, how about this one. I have J10 on the button and raise, sb and bb both call. flop is JJ9. sb bets, bb raises. A flat call here would look very suspicious though there are draws available. A reraise might scare them out.
dms26
Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005, 8:55 AM
QUOTE (DLizzle)
I raised from the button with 78 suited which i do often, and got a reraise from the small blind, which doesn't happen that often, so he has a hand, a big one I think. He's doing the auto-raise thing that people always do with aces. I call the raise, flop is 569 rainbow. He bets out as I expected, and normally I might raise here, and if reraised, possibly even cap. Should I slowplay this and wait for the turn? The only thing with that is, he could easily have something like AK, AQ, etc, and slowplaying the flop and waiting to raise the turn might scare him away. Not sure what is the best option here.
to me a straight isn't a monster, only flopping a nut flush or better. Anything else I play pretty aggressively from the flop, get bets in early while you know you're ahead instead of slowplaying and wondering how to play the turn when the board pairs and he bets into you again.
mrdannyg
Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005, 2:42 PM
QUOTE (DLizzle)
ok, how about this one. I have J10 on the button and raise, sb and bb both call. flop is JJ9. sb bets, bb raises. A flat call here would look very suspicious though there are draws available. A reraise might scare them out.
in situations like this, a flat call is more likely to kill the action than a reraise. if you have a loose table image, you might make this play with a 9, or 10-Q, or as a bluff. let people overthink it, and take it down.
note though, that the above works better for AJ, since a 10-kicker isn't exactly infallible.
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