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***** Hand History for Game 2955650549 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Sunday, October 30, 18:30:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 65322 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: HattrickPlay ( $41.55 )
Seat 3: CrashCapt ( $28.95 )
Seat 4: Ganthur ( $7.78 )
Seat 6: ADRIATICFSH ( $34.53 )
Seat 8: LOSERx3 ( $18.02 )
Seat 10: goodmanpoker ( $25.10 )
Seat 2: bigpappy777 ( $20.80 )
goodmanpoker posts small blind [$0.10].
bigpappy777 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to goodmanpoker [ Ts Jc 5s Js ]
CrashCapt calls [$0.25].
ADRIATICFSH folds.
LOSERx3 calls [$0.25].
goodmanpoker calls [$0.15].
bigpappy777 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Qs, As ]
goodmanpoker checks.
bigpappy777 checks.
CrashCapt bets [$0.75].
LOSERx3 folds.
goodmanpoker calls [$0.75].
bigpappy777 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
goodmanpoker checks.
bigpappy777 bets [$2].
CrashCapt calls [$2].
goodmanpoker calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
goodmanpoker checks.
bigpappy777 bets [$3].
CrashCapt folds.
goodmanpoker raises [$7].
bigpappy777 raises [$12].
goodmanpoker folds.

My plan was to just call the river with second nut. Then his river bet screamed weakness, so I thought I could extract some extra value from a lower flush. Note his reraise left him with less than $3 - a bit confusing, but it was $8 to me to make the call.

Should I have called here? Results are forthcoming.
Daniel

Yeah. I think you gotta fold there. Big river check raise btw. Kinda weird river action all around.

I don't think you should fold that hand in that spot. I wouldnt have put in the raise you did on the river either, but that is besides the point. Bad play by both of you on that river. 8)

won't argue there. i am definitely not good at Omaha/8. I usually only play it when clearing bonuses or if i'm tired of having no hands at hold 'em, so i only play for the nuts. that's good enough to beat the donks at low limits.
in this case i hit the second nuts, so i planned on just calling any river bet (i had no reads yet). the river bet seemed so weak though, i thought i could extract some more value. hence the unusual play.

anyways, not getting much feedback, so i'll post the results.
i asked the guy after and he told me he had a medium flush. we discussed later hands aswell, so i had no reason to doubt that was true. i later saw (depressingly) that he vastly overplayed his hands - if he had the nut flush in this situation i do not doubt at all he'd have bet the pot, as he did any other time he had the nuts on the river.

so i made a bad laydown here i guess, but even at these limits i really couldn't imagine a guy reraising there without the nuts.
oh shwell.

daniel

I'm an advanced beginner at that game as well (I say advanced because I seemingly know way more about the game than 98% of the people I play against, but my results don't match my abilities...lol). I could very well be wrong about this hand, but I doubt it. 8)

IMO the critical round was the turn. If you know you are going to call a bet on the turn, you should bet it out yourself. If it is there, the nut flush has to re-pot to make the low draws pay to play. If you forgot this in the heat of the moment and checked, then you either have to raise or fold when it comes back to you.

Quite honestly, you should never have been in this hand in the first place. I know you were the SB, but this is a bad hand for defense. More than half the time a low will qualify, so you are only playing for half the pot more than half the time. Also, think about what you could win with. If you have the best straight then your splitting with a low more often than not. If you get broadway then you are most likely splitting the pot with another high hand. And even though you are double suited, your flushes are 4th nut. Bad, bad juju. Your best hope is a flop of J-J-whatever and J-10-10. That just doesn't happen enough to make defending your SB with this crapazz hand.

Stop throwing away money.

Unless you are at the table with me.

Good Luck.

-CaptDrew

edit: I just re-read your hand history, and realized I was wrong with a bit of my analysis. Your hand was worse than I gave you credit for. You had three spades which lessens your 4th nut flush possibilities even more.

Don't play crap.

You lost 10.15 in hand that you should've been watching.

actually, i didn't even notice a low draw - i saw 10-Q-A flop and i thought 'three high cards, no low possible'. oh yeah...aces high and low.

this game was crap - i honestly believe i have the implied odds to play any mildly connected hand profitably in this terrible terrible game, and a straight or jack-flop would likely pay me off. you are correct though, that i could sit this hand out, since it is not a good one. this game was terrible, and almost any hand is probably profitable if played right. i guess i need to work on that last part.

These games are terrible because so many people have this exact attitude. Maybe you are good enough post-flop to be adventurous and play trash hands out of position, but I would have no problem folding this one preflop. In games this bad, all you have to do is play good starting hands, and you cant really lose money. Play too many hands, and you better be good or you wont break even. You cant even make a low hand. Into the muck preflop.

I beg to differ... these games are not crap; they are the Mecca of PLO8. These games are filled with the donks who pay off your well selected hands. They are not skilled enough to know better. Embrace them. Love them. Wish them well (when they aren't in the hand with you, of course). Then quietly take all their money.

Good Luck.

-CaptDrew

Oh yeah.... and... Chewy, chewy scroll buttons. Chewy, chewy rock on.

-CaptDrew

I meant crap as in skill level - I agree that the existence of the games are wonderful.