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akishore
3/6 ring

mp open-limps, button (kind of a lag) raises, i three-bet in the sb with A icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif , bb calls two cold, the limper folds, and button calls.

(10 sb, 3 plrs) 7 icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif 6 icon_suit_heart.gif

i check, bb checks, button bets, i raise, ...

i never used to do this much, but i'm seeing the monstrous advantages.

aseem
Actuary
neat.

So not doing it if BB leads out, right?
Point being you want to get HU with Button, right?

You Betting any turn?
And Bet/Folding any non A/Q ?

Generally, you are representing AA-JJ...

I need balls like this.

What if BB check/3 bets or Button 3-bets u HU?
I assume you call, of course

Lead turn? or C/F UI ?

who said limit was straight forward :wink:
akishore
QUOTE (Actuary)
So not doing it if BB leads out, right?

nope. not raising at least. i still call and draw to an A/Q.

QUOTE (Actuary)
Point being you want to get HU with Button, right?

yep.

QUOTE (Actuary)
You Betting any turn?

yep.

QUOTE (Actuary)
And Bet/Folding any non A/Q?

this is tough. i would probably call down and donate if he has me beat. i won't c/r an A or Q river, either. i'm probably calling down mostly because i know he bluff-raises a good amount of times (i have that in my notes) and because he's a lag of sorts.

QUOTE (Actuary)
Generally, you are representing AA-JJ...

doesn't really matter. i don't think people think "he raised, he must have AA or JJ", they just think "oh man, i'm facing two cold, i can't call with my J-10 anymore" like in the case of BB, i'm sure.

QUOTE (Actuary)
I need balls like this.

once you get some, i can start busting your balls too. :-)

QUOTE (Actuary)
What if BB check/3 bets or Button 3-bets u HU?
I assume you call, of course. Lead turn? or C/F UI?

if BB check/three-bets, that will be hella scary. i call and c/f the turn ui and c/c down if i hit an A or Q.

if button three-bets hu after bb folds, i will call and i'm in a similar dilemma as above. i'm on the fence between calling down and folding, but i think a three-bet is considerably less likely to be a bluff by him than a raise, given my read, so i would probably c/f the turn ui and c/c down if i hit an A or Q on the turn.



aseem
DrZebra
Check raising this flop seems weak.
I'm also surprised you 3-bet from SB with AQo
akishore
QUOTE (DrZebra)
Check raising this flop seems weak.

i don't really know what to make of this.

you mean it gives me a weak/tight table image?

or it doesn't accomplish anything?

it certainly accomplishes a lot given that button is aggressive and a c/r effectively gets it heads-up, when i either have the best hand or i can now draw live to 6 full outs usually.


QUOTE (DrZebra)
I'm also surprised you 3-bet from SB with AQo

it's reasonably close, i guess. the fact that the raiser is a lag in my notes makes it a pretty easy three-bet to me. it's for value, and it's also to isolate him.

being out of position does suck, but i don't think it's enough to fold something as strong as AQo here.


aseem
DrZebra
QUOTE (akishore)
you mean it gives me a weak/tight table image?


yes.

i can't imagine he said to himself "whoops walked right into someone who 3-bets pf with a 7." Unless A or Q was the turn, you must've lost this hand, correct? if they both folded to your c/r, i have to get in on the 3/6 action.
screech
QUOTE
i can't imagine he said to himself "whoops walked right into someone who 3-bets pf with a 7."


"whoops walked right into someone who 3-bets pf with an overpair"
akishore
QUOTE (DrZebra)
QUOTE (akishore)

you mean it gives me a weak/tight table image?


yes.

i can't imagine he said to himself "whoops walked right into someone who 3-bets pf with a 7." Unless A or Q was the turn, you must've lost this hand, correct? if they both folded to your c/r, i have to get in on the 3/6 action.


i think you're overestimating the importance of my table image. at a) 3/6, and cool.gif online, it's almost completely irrelevant. in fact, i will go on a limb and say that it IS completely irrelevant in a ring game, except against eagles/tight-aggressives which i avoid anyway. bad players aren't observant enough to take note of these things or even remember them two hands later.

and no, the button wouldn't fold to this c/r one time out of a thousand, most likely, but that wasn't the purpose at all. it was to get it heads-up with a player who i easily am ahead of.

aseem
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