Breaking Liberty
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 2:48 PM
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with [9s], [Jd].
UTG calls,
2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.
Flop: (6 SB) [9c], [Td], [Tc]
(3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.
Turn: (4 BB) [3s]
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
River: (6 BB) [Kc]
(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 8 BB
I am trying to learn how to play 6-max tables. So be gentle. How should I have played this hand, at every street?
Actuary
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 2:52 PM
Preflop: folded
Flop: Watched
Turn: Watched
River: Watched.
Mind you, I"ve yet to play a hand in 6 Max.
I'd defend this against a late Pos, like CO-Button Raise..
But I'd respect a raise more from SB and given the UTG limp you aren't closing he action, and SB is not just trying to steal.
Again, I'd say I don't play 6-Max.
screech
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 2:59 PM
I may have folded pf. It depends on the sb and the utg player.
If UTG is loose, and SB has a high PFR%, I probably call.
You have to raise this flop. The hand plays much differently after that.
Sometimes I may wait until the turn to raise. I'd be more inclined to do that when there were less overcards that could come. Say, you had KT on a JJT flop. Waiting may be best if your opponent is aggressive.
DCWildcat
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 3:24 PM
QUOTE (screech)
I may have folded pf. It depends on the sb and the utg player.
If UTG is loose, and SB has a high PFR%, I probably call.
You have to raise this flop. The hand plays much differently after that.
Sometimes I may wait until the turn to raise. I'd be more inclined to do that when there were less overcards that could come. Say, you had KT on a JJT flop. Waiting may be best if your opponent is aggressive.
I like this, except that I'm probably not waiting to the turn to raise unless I'm HU.
screech
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 3:28 PM
QUOTE
I like this, except that I'm probably not waiting to the turn to raise unless I'm HU.
Forgot about sb.
Me neither.
Sysvr4
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 3:32 PM
Unless SB is a rock I'm calling this PF.
From there, I raise the flop and fold to a 3-bet. Otherwise, bet/fold the turn.
Jeff
KDawgCometh
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:00 PM
fold PF and raise the flop. this is pretty easy people. If our hand is suited then a PF call can be justified, as is, its not and is just a mid offsuit gapper and we have a limper and a PF raiser in this hand. I fold PF and don't look back(and I'm raising that flop in a heartbeat, calling a three bet and folding UI on the turn)
akishore
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:06 PM
QUOTE (Actuary)
Preflop: folded
Flop: Watched
Turn: Watched
River: Watched.
akishore
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:08 PM
hey breakingliberty,
if you had no read on sb, calling preflop was a HUGE mistake.
you REALLY need reads to both be able to effectively play AND analyze (here) these super-marginal postflop situations.
without a read, calling down is best. raising the flop is usually counterproductive, it gets you nowhere (at least in my games, where you'll most often be three-bet here 99% of the time by sb's entire range).
aseem
edit: i can elaborate... raising the flop is best in a passive game against a predictable/passive opponent. i dunno, i haven't played against that type of opponent in a long time.
akishore
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:10 PM
screech and sysvr, we ARE heads-up. utg folded preflop to sb's raise after he limped preflop (collusion!!! jk).
aseem
screech
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:44 PM
QUOTE (akishore)
screech and sysvr, we ARE heads-up. utg folded preflop to sb's raise after he limped preflop (collusion!!! jk).
aseem
Flop IS 3-handed. :-)
Or was that the joke. :?
akishore
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:46 PM
ah my bad. then this flop leans heavily toward a raise.
aseem
rbakken2504
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:52 PM
No way you possibly fold this hand preflop, unless you are 100% sre your opponent has an overpair. you're getting 5 to 1 preflop, prolly six to 1, cuz UTG is mostlikely going to call, your implied odds are 7 to 1, becasue sb will lead with any two cards at the flop, make the call preflop, raise the flop, fold to a three bet.
akishore
Tuesday, October 25th, 2005, 5:57 PM
QUOTE (rbakken2504)
No way you possibly fold this hand preflop, unless you are 100% sre your opponent has an overpair. you're getting 5 to 1 preflop, prolly six to 1, cuz UTG is mostlikely going to call, your implied odds are 7 to 1, becasue sb will lead with any two cards at the flop, make the call preflop, raise the flop, fold to a three bet.
ok doyle.
and of course J9o has a ton of showdown value unimproved.
oh, and it has awesome top pair value.
oh yeah, it's never really dominated either.
definitely call preflop.
:-)
aseem
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