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Breaking Liberty
Where are the best places to grind at the $1/$2 level that I can get rake back on?

Since party split, Eurobet ****ing sucks.

Most hands are three people to the flop, if I'm lucky. I thrive on multiway pots and lots of dead money, this isn't cutting it any more.
econ_tim
play six max at the x-party skins

more rakeback and worse players
Breaking Liberty
QUOTE (econ_tim)
play six max at the x-party skins

more rakeback and worse players


That is true..
Breaking Liberty
Mmm.. I played .50/1 6-max my BB/100 hands was +1.04 after 1500 hands. Haven't played since.

I don't seem to be able to get the hang of 6-max.

I think I played way too loose. Generally, can you still play tight and make a profit?
econ_tim
QUOTE (Breaking Liberty)
I think I played way too loose. Generally, can you still play tight and make a profit?


Yes. But tight for 6-max is VPIP=25.

Most people adjust too much when they play six max.

Also, 1,500 hand is even less significant in short-handed play than it is in full ring play.
Sushiman
What about Absolute? The people there are rocks but the constant reload bonuses might make it worthwhile at 1/2 with rakeback.
Breaking Liberty
QUOTE (econ_tim)
QUOTE (Breaking Liberty)
I think I played way too loose. Generally, can you still play tight and make a profit?


Yes. But tight for 6-max is VPIP=25.

Most people adjust too much when they play six max.

Also, 1,500 hand is even less significant in short-handed play than it is in full ring play.


Meaning they play too loose?
Breaking Liberty
If I can make money on euro I will stay here. I prefer to be on a site with multiple games going at any time of the day or night. Seems like most sites just don't offer enough of a game selection.
DCWildcat
Yeah, players (good ones) tend to adjust too strongly heading into 6-max, 3-betting A6o, raising any paint, etc.

Why play on ex-party skins? Those are rocky. Find a place with rakeback for party (they'll come around), play there.
Breaking Liberty
QUOTE (DCWildcat)
Yeah, players (good ones) tend to adjust too strongly heading into 6-max, 3-betting A6o, raising any paint, etc.

Why play on ex-party skins? Those are rocky. Find a place with rakeback for party (they'll come around), play there.


Yeah you just described how I've been playing. So I need to tighten down and slow down? Only play a little looser?
DCWildcat
QUOTE (Breaking Liberty)
QUOTE (DCWildcat)
Yeah, players (good ones) tend to adjust too strongly heading into 6-max, 3-betting A6o, raising any paint, etc.

Why play on ex-party skins? Those are rocky. Find a place with rakeback for party (they'll come around), play there.


Yeah you just described how I've been playing. So I need to tighten down and slow down? Only play a little looser?


yeah, only loosen up a bit. for starters, 25ish VP$IP is more than enough.

there are a lot more "if i was one spot over, i'd raise here, but now i'm going to fold" and "i'd raise if there wasn't a limper, otherwise, i fold" "i'd call if i still didn't have BB to act" type situations.

there's a great starting hand chart on 2+2, lemme see if i can dig it up.
akishore
ugh, i hate starting hand charts for six max soooo much.

the BEST way to learn six max is to play each non-blind position identically to the last few positions in a ring game with one limper, two limpers, no limpers, etc. this means your VP$IP should be really low, < 25.

once you get comfortable with that, start loosening up in the blinds and especially on the button slightly. you shouldn't loosen up anywhere else except occasionally the CO, but be careful with that.

then, start adapting to the table. don't raise 66 utg (what would be mp2 in a ring game) if you're on a really loose/passive calling-station table and you know playing 66 here for set value has a higher EV than playing it as a dry pair. start opening from the CO with medium aces and medium-strong paints on weak/tight tables. start stealing from the button with any two cards 8 or above in addition when you're up against tight blinds.

until you get comfortable playing super marginal situations postflop (especially from the blinds), play REALLY tightly, ESPECIALLY from utg and mp. also, play really tightly from the blinds to steals until you feel super comfortable in blind steal situations postflop. for those, you really need to adapt to the player much more than your cards.

for the most part, tend to err on the side of caution in blind situations. position is what i consider to be a holy grail in shorthanded games. if you're on the fence about defending or folding, tend to fold. also don't defend with any two because you often don't have such high fold equity against loose players. but, defend with cards that can easily make the best pair... 98o, for example, or hands that have showdown value unimproved, like Ax/K8o/33.

as far as low pocket pairs go, it's mostly personal preference... they're very similar to Ax in that they have strong showdown value unimproved, but the difference is that you can improve more easily with Ax when you're behind than you can with 33 when you're behind. you also have more visibility with Ax when you hit a pair, and you also tend to be further ahead when you hit a pair. until you feel comfortable, just fold 22-44/55/66-ish to blind steals.

finally, i really can't stress enough the importance of table selection and *much more importantly*, seat selection. maniacs and superfish are the biggest biggest biggest reason that six max is so soft, for the most part. finding a good table and finding a huge donator versus getting yourself on a tight/aggressive table is the difference between a 1 BB/100 game and a 3 BB/100 game.

good luck,
aseem
DCWildcat
QUOTE (akishore)
ugh, i hate starting hand charts for six max soooo much.

the BEST way to learn six max is to play each non-blind position identically to the last few positions in a ring game with one limper, two limpers, no limpers, etc. this means your VP$IP should be really low, < 25.


I can chart that 8)
rbakken2504
go to onlinepropping.com, they give 105% rakeback on the sies they represent, granted youd have to adjust to being prop player, but generally at $1/$2 you wont play short handed for long, they always get 6 to a full tables quite fast
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