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thecamelot
Second hand at the table, no reads... Thoughts?

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Preflop: thecamelot is Button with 9:spade:, 9:diamond:. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8:heart:, 8:diamond:, Q:diamond: (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 folds, thecamelot bets, thecamelot calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5:club: (2 players)
MP2 bets, thecamelot folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB
Jordan
raise!
thecamelot
Raise? I feel like I'm hemorrhaging money to an 8 or Q with only 2 outs.
Smasharoo
Why did you call the flop raise if you're folding the turn?

Aside from being fish, I mean.

good luck.
Actuary
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
Why did you call the flop raise if you're folding the turn?

Aside from being fish, I mean.

good luck.


u obviously missed the backdoor gutshot str8 draw!
screech
QUOTE (thecamelot)
Raise? I feel like I'm hemorrhaging money to an 8 or Q with only 2 outs.


You are.

I think Jordan wants to raise in case villian is on a draw. This costs the same as calling down, (assuming you get a free showdown), and charges the draws as much as possible.

If your opponent will bluff at the river with a busted draw, it is better to call down.

If opponent wouldn't raise the flop wiht a draw, you can fold the flop.

In fact, against an opponent who would semi-bluff raise the flop, you should still probably fold the flop. Reverse implied odds are huge in this hand. Just fold the flop regardless of your opponent.
Sysvr4
This is a smaller poker pair a lot. I wouldn't mind a call down here.

Jeff
Petoria
QUOTE (Smasharoo)
Why did you call the flop raise if you're folding the turn?

Aside from being fish, I mean.

good luck.


Smash makes a good point.
Jordan
QUOTE (screech)
QUOTE (thecamelot)
Raise? I feel like I'm hemorrhaging money to an 8 or Q with only 2 outs.


You are.

I think Jordan wants to raise in case villian is on a draw. This costs the same as calling down, (assuming you get a free showdown), and charges the draws as much as possible.

If your opponent will bluff at the river with a busted draw, it is better to call down.

If opponent wouldn't raise the flop wiht a draw, you can fold the flop.

In fact, against an opponent who would semi-bluff raise the flop, you should still probably fold the flop. Reverse implied odds are huge in this hand. Just fold the flop regardless of your opponent.


I wasn't being serious when I said raise.

- Jordan
screech
QUOTE
I wasn't being serious when I said raise.


:oops:
thecamelot
OK, so what's a good line to use here then?

I think pre-flop was fine.

Flop, bet/fold? I'm not sure what to take out of the responses so far.

And I don't know anything about the opponent (at this stage), but after a while of play realized he was playing about 80-85% of hands, and semi-aggressive after the flop (usually only with a piece of it).
econ_tim
bet/fold or bet/call are OK lines

your full odds on calling down once you are c/r ed are 12 : 2.5, or 4.8 : 1. Against unknown, I bet/fold. I think you get drawn out on or are behind too often.
screech
QUOTE
Against unknown, I bet/fold. I think you get drawn out on or are behind too often.


What he said.
dms26
QUOTE (thecamelot)
OK, so what's a good line to use here then?

I think pre-flop was fine.

Flop, bet/fold? I'm not sure what to take out of the responses so far.  

And I don't know anything about the opponent (at this stage), but after a while of play realized he was playing about 80-85% of hands, and semi-aggressive after the flop (usually only with a piece of it).


If he has any piece of that flop he has you drawing to 2 outs, I think bet/fold is fine
DCWildcat
bet/fold is ok, so's a call down...
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