Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Qs], [Kc].
2 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) [Qd], [Qc], [7d] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) [Ah] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (27.25 BB) [2s] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 39.25 BB

So at what point should I have folded this hand? I'm at a loss for words.

stop thinkin on a results basis...you will make stupid plays if you do....as for the hand theres not much you can do

I'd consider folding the the first raise on the river; they can't both have a queen, so at least one of them (probably both) must be full. MP had 77 or Q7, and BB had AQ or AA, I'm guessing?

BB had Aces and MP had Q10 off suit.

I could have reached through the computer and slit the MP's throat.

reads are so key here.

consier yuo are getting 3.8:1 to call down capped river and turn from the first turn call.
Given the action, how many outs do you think u have?
2 others who know you love your hand..also love there hands. NO one is showing any fear of paired board. Against non-tricky, str8 forward solid palyers, you could fold on fisrt turn call.

Against some Party Maniacs..calling down is great.

If flsing big pots to donks would tilt you, factor that in too.

With no read..you could:

1. Fold first turn bet
2. Fold first river bet
3. Call down.

big help i am.

t-3 hours for Aseem to say "You cannot fold in this hand. Look at the pot!"

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [As], [Kd].
UTG calls, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) [8d], [Js], [Ts] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) [Ac] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (7.75 BB) [Qc] (2 players)
UTG bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

UTG turns over K3 off suit.

Aces twice and AK twice in the last five minutes and I tally two looses and two splits..

100 more hands until this hell session is over. I've never lost so much in 1k of hands.

As for the OP hand, I think I should have folded the river...

Haven't read any replies yet, so I apologize if any of this has already been said.

It's $.50/$1, I'm not folding this hand. I'm guessing MP2 has some sort of Q, probably with a weak kicker and the BB probably has an Ace, maybe with some sort of funky two pair (A7 perhaps). The only hands that can really beat us here are 77, 22 & AQ (I'm leaving AA out because the pre-flop action makes it a highly unlikely hand...even the tightest of players raise AA pre-flop almost always).

At any rate, I think it's fine.

*editing my post after reading the rest of the thread. I still think you played it fine. There's no way I'm putting the BB on AA. Tough hand, you maybe could have folded the turn, but I dunno if I can do it at .5/1 with a hand that good.

-72BB after 1,000 hands. I've never had a run that bad a run before. After a thousand hands I've always at least broke even. Is this anything to be worried about?

I'm by no means as experienced as many of the posters on this forum, but I'm pretty sure it's not anything to be worried about. Swings much worse than this can happen and are probably commonplace for those who play alot. Especially if you're playing short-handed at all.

My only suggestion would be that if you have pokertracker, you go back through the session and look at the hands that you lost money on (especially if you lost a lot) and analyze them for leaks. I'd say you probably lost a lot with hands that are generally major money makers and that your draws probably weren't coming in as often as they should. Variance is a bitch, but it's a part of poker.

You hit dead on. I lost a lot of money on people hitting long shot draws tonight against my kings and aces, one guy turned a flush draw with no pair and check raised me, and caught his 4 card flush with QJ off suit. He limp 3-bet me preflop, lol.

I flopped top pair, got raised on the flop, a guy turned his gut shot. But I couldn't hit a gut shot on the turn tonight when I had odds to save my life, or a flush draw.

So yeah, enough of my bitching. I had a pretty bad run, I just wanted to be sure that -72BB after 1k hands wasn't a major disastor, because like I said, I am usually much better off after 1k hands.

It was also my first night playing 8 tables. I am now on EuroBet and Party Poker, playing 8 tables. I think I might drop it to 6. 8 was a lot.

I'd say 8 tables may very well be too many. I still don't think I always play optimally when I'm playing as few as four, so it's definitely something to think about. I've also heard that Eurobet and Empire are rock gardens now that the the Party network is over, so you might want to be careful about playing on there. The game probably isn't as juicy and you're probably up against better players.

Not a great result, but not impossible either. Standard deviations at the 1000 hand level should range from 45 to 60 BBs. If your winrate is 30BB/1000 hands, then a -2SD session could knock you down to -72BBs. -2SD sessions should happen once every 40 sessions or so.

In position raise that flop. Bet the turn when the A hits. You play this hand correctly and its not a split.

As far as 8 tabling. This might come off as asshole-ish but if you're playing .50/1 the likelyhood that you are good enough at limit to be able to 8 table without really hurting your bb/100 isn't to good.

no, it just sounds ignorant.
coming from you, I'm surpirsed.
Liberty blew his bankroll, spent it, whatever.. and is now rebuilding.
His announced WinRate is solid and judging from his posts, I'd say he's a winning player.

peace.

Might sound ignorant then. But how many players on these forums are capable of 8 tabling or more without a substantial loss to their win rate. 8 tabling takes a great deal of concentration and refinement in your game considering all the things you are being bombarded with. To be 8 tabling seemingly 1-2 months(?) after starting online poker is pretty amazing and something you don't see to many people do.

Ok, I'm in the minority here, but unless I'm seeing this kind of flop and turn action frequently at this table, I start to seriously consider a fold on the first turn call. Most of the time I'd still call there tho, but after the turn is capped I certainly fold the first river call. I have to put them on extreme donkey reads to call there...

Jeff

I'd probably fold the river myself, unless I had reason to believe I'm up against 2 complete morons (which isn't too far a stretch to assume of the average .5/1 PP player). I suppose absent reads, calling down isn't real bad at this level.

As far as your downswing, I really wouldn't worry about it. Especially at PP at that level, the variance is ****ing wild. I only cleared bonuses there, so I'd only play 1200-1500 hands at a time, but I'd always end up either down about 50BB, or up like 150BB. If you're playing a strong aggressive style to maximize your winnings, the variance is going to be super high when you play against bad/loose players like at PP.

Thanks everyone for the advice, appreciate it.

8 tables at a time is a lot, and it takes a lot of concentration but it is possible. Right now it takes more energy to play 8 tables at a time than I am whiling to give so I am going to try six, maybe seven if I'm feeling spunky once 'n a while.

I play a very aggressive attacking style so I guess I should expect my variance to be higher when I am on a downswing. If I am consistently up 40-70BB's after a long session I can't expect to be only be down 15BB's when things are going bad, right?

As for Eurobet, the .50/1 tables are still quite juicy, actually rather passive, and my style literally runs over these players. I win a lot of uncontested pots with out any piece of the flop, at the .50/1 level.

As for Party, I was also playing the beginners tables. They are a total shit fest. But that is good for when my hands hold up.

Here are my PT stats after 10k hands at .50/1. How am I doing?

18.32/8.14/1.55 after 10k hands.

It's VPIP, PFR%, Aggression Factor right? That is how I did it.

droppin 72 bets isnt all that bad and it will happen when you go through a bad day of variance.

As for the second hand you played...you really were way too passive on that hand. raise the flop or the turn and u can get him to fold that k3

I agree, I was playing off of 800 hands of bad beats. I'm normally raising and betting on each street there.

One motto i stick to is if i change my play b/c of bad beats then its time to quit. Take yesterday for example. I dropped about 200 from bad beats but my play stayed alright. If I had begun to just call down top pair or just call down strong hands b/c im worried about a beat then its time to call it a day. Like they always say. The goal of every hand is to play every hand "perfect." If they suck out on u that means that you outplayed them and they got lucky thats all

Good points

These stats look fine. Well within the accepted parameters for a winning player.

You can check out this 2+2 post that somebody posted on here a while back. It has a study on stats at 2/4 and 3/6. I'd say .5/1 stats should probably be pretty similar.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthre...w=&sb=5&o=&vc=1