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hanski
man, I'm getting people bluffing at me all over the place this morning.

Villain is typical of what I've been seeing this session, plays decent starting hands but bluffs and pushes too hard and doesn't know when to slow down.

The table had been tight, (Empire), but that didn't mean the players were very good. Just had to adjust a bit and play tighter, it also meant you could bluff check raise turns with air or ace high and get people to fold or call raises with 55 and raise safe boards and have people fold their overcards. (read: they were predictable)

Umm, I defend my blind from an UTG+2 raise???? It was pretty loose, especially being out of position, but the table was tight and I wanted to play a hand, god damn it! All right, it was a bad call. Right? I don't make it often at all.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Tc], [Jc].
2 folds.

Flop: (5 SB) [6h], [Ts], [3h] (2 players)
Hero bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [6d] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) [7s] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

So, I'll criticize myself first: I think I should have 3-bet the flop fold to a cap? I think the turn and river were good, if I have the best hand, I'll let him hang himself, and I want to showdown this hand with this board. I'm just wondering if I could have gotten more value somewhere.
Davin
maybe a c/r on the turn

if he 3-bets you on that turn, you can fold there

if he calls ur raise and a blank hits on the river, lead out and call a raise, since top pair is most likely good

if he calls ur raise and a scare card comes (a,k,q,or heart), you should c/c since you only have to be good 1 in 10 times to make money

if you 3-betted the flop, there's absolutely no reason to fold to a cap, you're getting 11-1 odds
hanski
yeah, I don't know if folding to a cap is good or not. against this aggressive opponent, maybe not.

I think I like your line. turn c/r and lead out a river blank would get me 1 more bet. If I 3-bet the flop and he just calls then lead turn he might fold a worse hand.

If he caps the flop and I call down thats more bets but then I'm not so sure I'm ahead. He's aggressive and he definitely will try to push me out of the pot, probably even the desperation river bet knowing I probably have a pair if I've called down the whole way.

hmm i dunno, still like your first line.
Davin
QUOTE (hanski)
Umm, I defend my blind from an UTG+2 raise???? It was pretty loose, especially being out of position, but the table was tight and I wanted to play a hand, god damn it! All right, it was a bad call. Right? I don't make it often at all.


it wasnt a bad call. tjs is a very good drawing hand. i certainly wouldnt fold it even out of position (all you need is 30% pot equity)
jayboogie
Wasn't a good call out of the sb, your not getting a good price on the call while out of position. If it was in the bb, it'd be an easy call.

As for how I play this considering you called pf. I'd check-raise the flop, and keep the lead if not shown aggression. If played back at on any street, I'll re-evaluate based on reads.
hanski
Yep, call was bad considering I'm out of position and heads up with not a very strong hand.
I just clicked before thinking I suppose.

I've learned a long time ago not to make these calls though so this one time was a rare exception.

I don't know if I want him to fold ace high/lower PP. I kinda want him to keep betting into me if the board is safe. If I checkraise the turn, I get another bet out of him and if he just calls I can lead a safe river and he could very well just call with ace high/lower PP or whatever.

These marginals situations come up a lot especially against tighter tables in heads up pots (again I play at the now tighter Empire), so I think getting better at them is a must.

good discussion though, i'd like to hear some more thoughts
screech
Hanski,

Besides the preflop call, I think you played the hand fine.

There are many different lines you could take in this situation, and it's really opponent dependent. Against the opponent you described, you can count on him raising the flop everytime, and then betting to the river.

Against a more passive opponent, the correct line may be to check/raise-lead, or check/call-lead.
mrdannyg
i like the bet/call on the flop and a gaybet/fold line on the turn. he could very well be raising that flop with overs, but unlikely he'll pop you again with just overs on that turn.

i think your line is the second best though.
cheers,
daniel
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