Fold on the flop, look, you can't stop low draws, you can't stop flush draws, you can't stop set draws... This is not a good flop to invest another penny.

I would had played your hand preflop giving the position, but that's not the types of flop I would be looking for.

I'd raise on the flop.  You're in position, use it.

This is a $50 PP table, raising would only build a bigger pot for the others.

Or for you, should your hand hold up.

If your reasoning is that a raise won't get anyone to fold at this level, then all the more reason to raise. The draws will counterfeit each other and share outs, so while your equity remains the same.

There are so many draws possible, that there doesnt have to be sharing.

There is no way that you can value raise any street. You're not far ahead of anything. This is a horrible horrible idea.

First of all, I don't truly believe a raise here will not result in some folding behind you (should've mentioned this in my first post). The action on the flop goes checks, bet, then OP is up to act. A raise here will (or at least should) shut out many draws, and you will very likely get heads up with the original bettor. If you want to assign A234 to one player, the str w/ a flush redraw to another, and top set to a third, then sure this raise may be -EV if they all call. However, if we assign a reasonable range of hands to your opponents, I think a raise is not anywhere close to being -EV.

If I were last to act after a bet and several calls, then I suppose I'd lean towards just calling. But I'd imagine that in the situation where you make a strong move on the flop and get 3 or more callers, some draws are shared and your equity is not being divided up as severely as it sounds you'd like to believe.

The other problem is that a raise won't shut out another str8. More likely than not the other QJ that would come along has a better draw. It happens quite often, and the worst thing in PLO8 is being freerolled on.

Call on the flop, move in on a safe turn card. The turn card wasn't safe, but there were several callers, so a call with the nut high was reasonable. You played it perfectly as the cards fell.

What is wrong with you dumb fks?????????

Do you think you are making the world a better place by teaching people to "make" money playing poker? Do you not realize (except for Party Poker) that it's a zero sum game? There's no "making" of money being done, only redistributing.

Poker is war. In war, you don't play by the rules if you want to win. You tell players to fold wheel wrap + nut flush draws so that you can win more money for yourself.

Personally, I think Wintermute's approach is even more diabolical. Yes, the more aggressive style is mathematically correct, but 90% of the party poker clowns could not implement it. Instead, they'll just "loosen up" and give away their money faster.

As for me, I just post misleading advice that sounds reasonable. I have a gift for picking my words correctly and displaying the correct amount of arrogance. That's how I fight this war.

The great thing is, even though I admitted what I do openly in the previous paragraph, people will still listen to my advice! Poker is a way to move money from dumb people to smart people a little more quickly than the real world does. If you want to help people to stoke your ego, you are paying for that ego boost with real dollars.

I know both of these guys Party Poker aliases and have taken large sums of money from them. I even have some personal knowledge that Smash has a serious gambling problem that has affected his relationships severely. But you know what? I'm going to take advantage of that. And you know why? Because this is war.

It really doesn't matter whether they see my rant post, people will still listen to and follow my advice. I've already been PMed by one member asking a follow up question. I'm sure, even as you were typing your message, you were realizing how logical my suggested play is. It's like a drug, and I'm a dealer. You have no power to control it.

So to get back at the world, you come onto internet message boards, post shitty advice, claim to take money off two known winners and immediately enter into pissing contests with every poster you can.