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screech
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: screech is MP1 with 9:heart:, 9:spade:.
2 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3:club:, 2:spade:, K:spade: (2 players)
screech bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) A:club: (2 players)
screech bets, MP2 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) K:heart: (2 players)
screech checks, MP2 bets, screech calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Villian was 58/0/1.24 after 70 hands.
This hand is more of a check-up than anything else. Please critique.
zimmer4141
I'd fold the river. Doubt he's betting with a hand that has you beat. I actually would probably also check/fold the turn too.
screech
QUOTE (Zimmer4141)
I'd fold the river. Doubt he's betting with a hand that has you beat. I actually would probably also check/fold the turn too.


I think folding the turn is a big mistake. This guy plays over 50% of his hands. He could easily have a lower pair, a draw, or nothing at all.
zimmer4141
QUOTE (screech)
QUOTE (Zimmer4141)
I'd fold the river. Doubt he's betting with a hand that has you beat. I actually would probably also check/fold the turn too.


I think folding the turn is a big mistake. This guy plays over 50% of his hands. He could easily have a lower pair, a draw, or nothing at all.


It's tough for me to say because I've never played at 2/4, but I think he most likely has a K or A and you are wa/wb here. I still wouldn't lead the turn, maye check/call is an option.
guinevar
I play it the same. Nice river check, getting re-raised on the river sucks.
screech
QUOTE
maye check/call is an option.


I don't really want to give a free card if I'm ahead. Also, if he's ahead, he may raise and I can then get away from teh hand for 1 bet instead of 2.
MrNiceGuy
I like the turn bet, but I think the river is a check/fold. I think you win this less than 10% of the time.

There's over 200 ways he could have an A or a K, and only 35 ways he could have a flush draw you can beat. Plus an A or a K is more likely to cold call PF than two low spades.
screech
QUOTE (MrNiceGuy)
I like the turn bet, but I think the river is a check/fold. I think you win this less than 10% of the time.

There's over 200 ways he could have an A or a K, and only 35 ways he could have a flush draw you can beat. Plus an A or a K is more likely to cold call PF than two low spades.


What about the times he has QJ, JT, or QT?

How about 88-44?

54, 64, or 65?
screech
I have to be good on the river 13% of the time to make calling correct.

Hands that beat me (assume he would raise somewhere with AA/KK/33/22):

QQ-TT (18 combos)
Ax (138 combos)
Kx (84 combos)

Total = 240 combos. That means that there has to be 36 combos of cards that he could have in this situation that would make calling correct. (36/(36 + 240).

88-44 gives us 30.
QJ/QT/JT gives us another 48.

This does not even include the flush combos, or the 2x/3x combos, or the 65/64/54 combos he could have.
MrNiceGuy
QUOTE (screech)
QUOTE (MrNiceGuy)
I like the turn bet, but I think the river is a check/fold. I think you win this less than 10% of the time.

There's over 200 ways he could have an A or a K, and only 35 ways he could have a flush draw you can beat. Plus an A or a K is more likely to cold call PF than two low spades.


What about the times he has QJ, JT, or QT?

How about 88-44?

54, 64, or 65?


It seems to me his aggro. factor is a little high for him to be calling on the flop with QJ, JT, QT. 88-44 have no business calling the turn, but a very loose player might call down with them. 65 and 64 might cold-call the flop, and might call the turn.

I agree that these hands are at least somewhat possible, and push it closer to a call. But without a specific read on the player that he will chase hands like this, I think they're a very small possibility.
Pancake407
hey screech..is bet/fold an option here? why or why not?
akishore
this is standard, nh. given your read, i mean.

aseem
akishore
QUOTE (Pancake407)
hey screech..is bet/fold an option here? why or why not?


missed draws don't call, but they might bet or raise.

see why this means bet/fold sucks?

aseem
Pancake407
yea, true. Im still trying to find situations to use the bet/fold line. thanks.
akishore
QUOTE (Pancake407)
yea, true. Im still trying to find situations to use the bet/fold line. thanks.


use bet/fold where you miss value by checking, but that if you're raised, you are almost always beat.

aseem
screech
QUOTE (akishore)
QUOTE (Pancake407)
yea, true. Im still trying to find situations to use the bet/fold line. thanks.


use bet/fold where you miss value by checking, but that if you're raised, you are almost always beat.

aseem


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