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oxcer
Is the best way to get back into top form to play stupid (uber agressive) for a few hours? It really doesn't make sense to me. I am by no means a poker pro, but I do know that when I play like Daniel describes, that is raising every pot, it is detrimental to my overall game. If there is a bigger picture that I am missing please feel free to inform me. Thanks.
Nikki_N
I think he was just getting back into the swing of things after not being at the cardroom to play for a while. The 5/10 NL is certainly not a risky game for him, it's like me playing penny NL on UB. If he wanted something more serious, he would've hit some bigger limits.

I can't believe you didn't get a kick out of reading that blog. Good Stuff.
goeps80
Do you not realize that you acted like a complete a$$hole? By then writing about it and trying to seem like it was somehow cute and fun you showed yourself to be clueless as well. You deserve to get your lunch handed to you yet again at the WPT event, karma is a strange thing. You had better hope you can still win a couple of grand off some tourists because the way you have played the past year that is what you are going to have to resort to. I'm sure Mr. Wynn is thrilled that you sit down at his 5-10 no limit game with 125k and bully people around for kicks. Karma my friend.
Nikki_N
QUOTE (goeps80)
Do you not realize that you acted like a complete a$$hole? By then writing about it and trying to seem like it was somehow cute and fun you showed yourself to be clueless as well. You deserve to get your lunch handed to you yet again at the WPT event, karma is a strange thing. You had better hope you can still win a couple of grand off some tourists because the way you have played the past year that is what you are going to have to resort to. I'm sure Mr. Wynn is thrilled that you sit down at his 5-10 no limit game with 125k and bully people around for kicks. Karma my friend.


Wow. Is that what you really wanted your first post to say? Name calling? Hmmm.
dms26
QUOTE (goeps80)
Do you not realize that you acted like a complete a$$hole? By then writing about it and trying to seem like it was somehow cute and fun you showed yourself to be clueless as well. You deserve to get your lunch handed to you yet again at the WPT event, karma is a strange thing. You had better hope you can still win a couple of grand off some tourists because the way you have played the past year that is what you are going to have to resort to. I'm sure Mr. Wynn is thrilled that you sit down at his 5-10 no limit game with 125k and bully people around for kicks. Karma my friend.


do you realize you are a complete doucheclown? go find NWP and join there, or go play on the traintracks.
mrdannyg
QUOTE (goeps80)
Do you not realize that you acted like a complete a$$hole?  By then writing about it and trying to seem like it was somehow cute and fun you showed yourself to be clueless as well.  You deserve to get your lunch handed to you yet again at the WPT event, karma is a strange thing.  You had better hope you can still win a couple of grand off some tourists because the way you have played the past year that is what you are going to have to resort to.  I'm sure Mr. Wynn is thrilled that you sit down at his 5-10 no limit game with 125k and bully people around for kicks.  Karma my friend.



I think this can be added to the "are you a newbie" thread... when you address your posts directly to DN.

Daniel


p.s. i'm sure Mr Wynn would be happy about that, since it is bringing publicity to his casino and the perception of easy money.
7s7c
I would have loved to sit at that game...sounded fun as hell
hotcookie42
I'm sorry to say I agree with the general sentiment of this post. Any time a player sits in a no-limit game with a stack that large it gives him the advantage of being able to put every other player at the table all-in. Hence the maximum buy-ins on most no-limit tables at most casinos. I haven't played NL at Wynn so I don't know what their rules are (and I'm guessing they let Daniel do whatever he wants anyway, since he's the poker ambassador and has diplomatic immunity).

Allowing Daniel to sit in this small game with such a big stack gives him even more of an advantage that he would have otherwise, and anyone who has ever played in a situation like this knows how annoying it is no matter who the big stack happens to be. I don't think the bonus of playing poker with Daniel outweighs these disadvantages. If I'm sitting in a poker game, I'm there to make money, not to risk my whole buy-in against one of the best no-limit hold 'em players in the world. If I want to see Daniel play poker, I can watch him any night of the week on TV. To me this story is just a sad example of showboating by someone who doesn't remember when that $2000 pot was his entire bankroll.
ChuckSty
all i have to say is Daniel, hope you dont' draw me at your table at the Brunson because they are letting me start out with 100k in chips.

and i will take you down.
PocketRocks
QUOTE (goeps80)
Do you not realize that you acted like a complete a$$hole?  By then writing about it and trying to seem like it was somehow cute and fun you showed yourself to be clueless as well.  You deserve to get your lunch handed to you yet again at the WPT event, karma is a strange thing.  You had better hope you can still win a couple of grand off some tourists because the way you have played the past year that is what you are going to have to resort to.  I'm sure Mr. Wynn is thrilled that you sit down at his 5-10 no limit game with 125k and bully people around for kicks.  Karma my friend.


Let the Flaming begin....... :twisted:
Nikki_N
QUOTE (ChuckSty)
all i have to say is Daniel, hope you dont' draw me at your table at the Brunson because they are letting me start out with 100k in chips.  

and i will take you down.


Now the Sty/DN matchup would totally get me hot.
Nikki_N
QUOTE (hotcookie42)
I'm sorry to say I agree with the general sentiment of this post. Any time a player sits in a no-limit game with a stack that large it gives him the advantage of being able to put every other player at the table all-in.  Hence the maximum buy-ins on most no-limit tables at most casinos. I haven't played NL at Wynn so I don't know what their rules are (and I'm guessing they let Daniel do whatever he wants anyway, since he's the poker ambassador and has diplomatic immunity).  

Allowing Daniel to sit in this small game with such a big stack gives him even more of an advantage that he would have otherwise, and anyone who has ever played in a situation like this knows how annoying it is no matter who the big stack happens to be. I don't think the bonus of playing poker with Daniel outweighs these disadvantages. If I'm sitting in a poker game, I'm there to make money, not to risk my whole buy-in against one of the best no-limit hold 'em players in the world.  If I want to see Daniel play poker, I can watch him any night of the week on TV. To me this story is just a sad example of showboating by someone who doesn't remember when that $2000 pot was his entire bankroll.


If you are sitting at the 5/10 NL, you'd better have the roll to hang in. If you're risking a big piece of your roll on this game, that isn't smart money management.

If I'm at this game, hypothetically, I sit back and wait for a good hand whilst I enjoy the show. Showboat away DN. I would've loved to be at this table.
goeps80
dms26......Seriously over 4000 posts? get a life dude, go outside once in a blue moon, see if you can find a nice girl.

Plain and simple Daniel you acted like an arrogant jerk. If that is what it takes to get you in the right mindframe to flame out on the first day of the WPT event then so be it, but don't kid yourself you took advantage of the people at that table to stroke your ego.
ChuckSty
QUOTE (goeps80)
dms26......Seriously over 4000 posts?  get a life dude, go outside once in a blue moon, see if you can find a nice girl.

Plain and simple Daniel you acted like an arrogant jerk.  If that is what it takes to get you in the right mindframe to flame out on the first day of the WPT event then so be it, but don't kid yourself you took advantage of the people at that table to stroke your ego.


sour apple
oxcer
I'm sorry Velcro thinks that because I am not a poker pro my opinion doesn't matter. But seriously is playing this way at all conducive to him getting his game back to compete with the best in the world on a regular basis? I dont see how this type of training will benefit Daniel at all when he plays the WPT this week. I wish Daniel all the best as I am a big fan, just my 2 cents though.
Stackraider
The Wynn is the only poker room I know of that does not have maximum buy ins on their NL tables. I sat for 4 hours on their $2-$5 NL table with an ititial buyin of $5000 and I doubled my money. If you play there, you accept the risk that someone can buyin for a huge amount and buy pots. If you can't handle other players being aggresive, then stay away from the wynn. You will walk away broke and upset.

That beig said, I don't think that is very good practice for tournament play. That is a great way to get busted in a tourney because your chip stack is finite.(unless it is a rebuy tourney) . It is a good confidense builder as long as you can understand that is what it is.

Good luck in the WPT Daniel.
Nikki_N
QUOTE (goeps80)
dms26......Seriously over 4000 posts?  get a life dude, go outside once in a blue moon, see if you can find a nice girl.

Plain and simple Daniel you acted like an arrogant jerk.  If that is what it takes to get you in the right mindframe to flame out on the first day of the WPT event then so be it, but don't kid yourself you took advantage of the people at that table to stroke your ego.


DMS get a life? You bothered to sign up for an account so you could flame the site owner. Good on ya, buddy.
GamblinLeaf
QUOTE (goeps80)
Do you not realize that you acted like a complete a$$hole?  By then writing about it and trying to seem like it was somehow cute and fun you showed yourself to be clueless as well.  You deserve to get your lunch handed to you yet again at the WPT event, karma is a strange thing.  You had better hope you can still win a couple of grand off some tourists because the way you have played the past year that is what you are going to have to resort to.  I'm sure Mr. Wynn is thrilled that you sit down at his 5-10 no limit game with 125k and bully people around for kicks.  Karma my friend.



Oh, my bleeding fucking heart! Those POOR tourists ... they had NO CHOICE but to play at that table. People sit down at any table or game by choice, nobody holds a gun to their head. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there were 20 people on the waiting list for that table after DN sat down ... "tourists" who would've loved to take a shot at the "poker room ambassador". And by the way, if Daniel had ended up losing $10k to a bunch of excited "tourists" would you still be upset you self-righteous, pompous ass?
goeps80
and you sign up for a site so you can post 5000 times and stroke the owner? What is the difference? Are you only allowed on here if you agree with Daniel? I have read his blog for about six months and have often agreed with it, and have often disagreed. This was the first instance when I felt strongly enough to say something. Granted Nikki, I don't post my every thought on this board (or 5000 of them for that matter) and you will in all likelyhood not here from me again, it doesn't change the fact that what I have said is my opinion nothing more, nothing less. I suppose the people at Daniel's table could have simply got up and left, but considering how crowded he said it was it would be a bit of a drag to have to get in the back of the Q.
dms26
QUOTE (hotcookie42)
I'm sorry to say I agree with the general sentiment of this post. Any time a player sits in a no-limit game with a stack that large it gives him the advantage of being able to put every other player at the table all-in.  Hence the maximum buy-ins on most no-limit tables at most casinos. I haven't played NL at Wynn so I don't know what their rules are (and I'm guessing they let Daniel do whatever he wants anyway, since he's the poker ambassador and has diplomatic immunity).  

Allowing Daniel to sit in this small game with such a big stack gives him even more of an advantage that he would have otherwise, and anyone who has ever played in a situation like this knows how annoying it is no matter who the big stack happens to be. I don't think the bonus of playing poker with Daniel outweighs these disadvantages. If I'm sitting in a poker game, I'm there to make money, not to risk my whole buy-in against one of the best no-limit hold 'em players in the world.  If I want to see Daniel play poker, I can watch him any night of the week on TV. To me this story is just a sad example of showboating by someone who doesn't remember when that $2000 pot was his entire bankroll.


They aren't just allowing him to sit with whatever he wants, some casinos have no max buy in NL tables. Anyone could sit down with 125K, so it's not unfair to anyone. If someone chooses to sit at the table with their entire BR that's their own fault.

Alot of people play poker in Vegas to have a good time, and aren't really worried about how much they make, especially tourists. You can always move to another table if you want. But I bet he made most of the people at that table have a good time, look how much fun he has at the 10K buy in tournies. You people need to relax.
AceyDeucy
go to:

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=32046
dms26
QUOTE (oxcer)
I'm sorry Velcro thinks that because I am not a poker pro my opinion doesn't matter.  But seriously is playing this way at all conducive to him getting his game back to compete with the best in the world on a regular basis?  I dont see how this type of training will benefit Daniel at all when he plays the WPT this week.  I wish Daniel all the best as I am a big fan, just my 2 cents though.


I think he was there to have a good time, not to get better at poker. But these are the same type of guys you have to play against now in the WSOP so it probably does do some good.
dms26
QUOTE (goeps80)
and you sign up for a site so you can post 5000 times and stroke the owner?  What is the difference?  Are you only allowed on here if you agree with Daniel?  I have read his blog for about six months and have often agreed with it, and have often disagreed.  This was the first instance when I felt strongly enough to say something.  Granted Nikki, I don't post my every thought on this board (or 5000 of them for that matter) and you will in all likelyhood not here from me again, it doesn't change the fact that what I have said is my opinion nothing more, nothing less.  I suppose the people at Daniel's table could have simply got up and left, but considering how crowded he said it was it would be a bit of a drag to have to get in the back of the Q.


you can disagree if u want, but calling him an asshole is just unnecessary.

as for my 4000 posts, about 3500 have come while I am at work, getting paid. Kinda cool huh?
goeps80
you must be very proud.
goeps80
I said he acted like an *******, I did not say he was an *******. There is a difference.
dms26
QUOTE (goeps80)
you must be very proud.


and you must be too
DanielNegreanu
Wow, everyone at my table was laughing during most of the session. Others were begging to get into the game.

The idea that I "took advantage" of others by buying in for more money than anyone at the table is ludicrous. Totally unfounded. The fact that I was raising a bet from $10 to $10,000 is hardly an advantage... for ME!

Do you not think that having me at your table playing recklessly would INCREASE your earn?

No one at the table wanted to leave- not one. In fact, everyone was trying to get into the game because we all had a lot of fun. One dude lost $6000 and enjoyed the whole process.

It's important not to take yourself too seriously when you play poker. I wasn't, "Disrespecting the game," or anything like that.

As for why I practise that way, read an old column I wrote called, "Nutbar" and that should help explain it.

Frankly, I'm a little shocked that people took my actions as being arrogant or innapropriate in any way... Shocked I tell you! :-)
dms26
QUOTE (DanielNegreanu)
Wow, everyone at my table was laughing during most of the session. Others were begging to get into the game.

The idea that I "took advantage" of others by buying in for more money than anyone at the table is ludicrous. Totally unfounded. The fact that I was raising a bet from $10 to $10,000 is hardly an advantage... for ME!

Do you not think that having me at your table playing recklessly would INCREASE your earn?

No one at the table wanted to leave- not one. In fact, everyone was trying to get into the game because we all had a lot of fun. One dude lost $6000 and enjoyed the whole process.

It's important not to take yourself too seriously when you play poker. I wasn't, "Disrespecting the game," or anything like that.

As for why I practise that way, read an old column I wrote called, "Nutbar" and that should help explain it.

Frankly, I'm a little shocked that people took my actions as being arrogant or innapropriate in any way... Shocked I tell you! :-)


whenever you talk about throwing around thousands there are always going to be a few people complaining. but I'm sure you know that by now, keep the blogs coming, most of us enjoy them.
oxcer
Ok I read the article. I encourage other posters to take a look as well. If during this game you were going through a thought process that led to you being more accurate with your reads then more power to you, I have no problem at all with what you did at the table. I'm still sceptical about how this will help you in a big tourney, but ur the pro, not I. So good look Daniel, I will be cheering for you and hoping those reads work out. Later.
Batman
And, as he stated to the new girl, "Don't do what you see me do." That one sentence says it all.

I do like that he was able to play a few hands without looking at his cards. I have done this as well on a few occasions, with the same success. I say it's not about the cards, Phil Ivey on a Full Tilt Poker promo says sometimes it's about everything but the cards, and I feel both statements are correct.

I also believe that Daniel was able to do what he did, because he's who he is. Another guy doing exactly the same thing as he did, large buy in, extremely loose aggressive play, etc. would have wildly differing results.

I hope this helps 8)
seacucumber
QUOTE (hotcookie42)
Hence the maximum buy-ins on most no-limit tables at most casinos. I haven't played NL at Wynn so I don't know what their rules are (and I'm guessing they let Daniel do whatever he wants anyway, since he's the poker ambassador and has diplomatic immunity).


If I remember correctly, the NL games at Wynn do not have a maximum buy-in. I was surprised by it when I played there in June since that is definitely not the norm.
scottyno
other than the stakes difference, how is this any different than when we nutbar a low limit table and cap every hand? I know that since its usually limit instead of nl makes it different, but the principle is still the same, playing crazy without any regard to the money in front of you, and raising every pot just to have fun.
theresa113
QUOTE (DanielNegreanu)
Wow, everyone at my table was laughing during most of the session.  Others were begging to get into the game.

 The idea that I "took advantage" of others by buying in for more money than anyone at the table is ludicrous.  Totally unfounded.  The fact that I was raising a bet from $10 to $10,000 is hardly an advantage... for ME!

 Do you not think that having me at your table playing recklessly would INCREASE your earn?

 No one at the table wanted to leave- not one.  In fact, everyone was trying to get into the game because we all had a lot of fun.  One dude lost $6000 and enjoyed the whole process.

 It's important not to take yourself too seriously when you play poker.  I wasn't, "Disrespecting the game," or anything like that.

 As for why I practise that way, read an old column I wrote called, "Nutbar" and that should help explain it.

 Frankly, I'm a little shocked that people took my actions as being arrogant or innapropriate in any way... Shocked I tell you! :-)


I laughed my ass off this morning reading your post. I was jealous. I would love to have been there. To me, it sounded as if everyone was having a blast.

I started to play poker because it seemed fun. I take breaks whenever the fun stops for me. I am so glad that after all of these years, you continue to have fun at a game and a profession that you love.
theresa113
Batman said:
QUOTE
I also believe that Daniel was able to do what he did, because he's who he is. Another guy doing exactly the same thing as he did, large buy in, extremely loose aggressive play, etc. would have wildly differing results.


So very true! And I reaped the rewards. I loved it! smile.gif
AKoffsuit
QUOTE (DanielNegreanu)
Wow, everyone at my table was laughing during most of the session. Others were begging to get into the game.

The idea that I "took advantage" of others by buying in for more money than anyone at the table is ludicrous. Totally unfounded. The fact that I was raising a bet from $10 to $10,000 is hardly an advantage... for ME!

Do you not think that having me at your table playing recklessly would INCREASE your earn?

No one at the table wanted to leave- not one. In fact, everyone was trying to get into the game because we all had a lot of fun. One dude lost $6000 and enjoyed the whole process.

It's important not to take yourself too seriously when you play poker. I wasn't, "Disrespecting the game," or anything like that.

As for why I practise that way, read an old column I wrote called, "Nutbar" and that should help explain it.

Frankly, I'm a little shocked that people took my actions as being arrogant or innapropriate in any way... Shocked I tell you! :-)


Ahhh... I'm jealous. I wish I was there. It sounds like a lot of fun! I think it's a good idea. Just how many other pro players would sit down and take the time and play with the regular folks. Hey Daniel, are you planing on doing this more often??
gicalif
Maybe it was fun for Dan and the others at the table, but my money is too important to me to risk it in a crazy and unreadable game. i cannot risk my whole stack at the table on a pure guess like he can, and that gives him a big advantage. if i had been there i would have left the table, but since dan is an employee host who's job is to help customers enjoy themselves, i would have made a strong complaint to management about his behavoir.
Kangaroo
Id be willing to lose a bit to DN to sit at a table with him jsut cos I reckon it'd be a hoot to play with such a chief. It's a NL table anyway so it doesnt matter if he has 125 or 125000 dollars if he puts someone all in they give the opponent the option to call or fold it's up to them to try and make a read on him, isn't that poker?

keep in mind this is a guy who invited a group of strangers into his home and entertained them for a day while putting up alot of money, calling him an ******* for doing something which helps his game (nutbar) makes you seem like a bit of a clown to me. Furthermore what DN does with his money is his business if he wishes to put it at risk by playing aggressive poker who cares those other clowns should've been taking advantage of the situation.

With the number of clowns around these forums having a whinge about every little thing I can understand why players liek phil ivey dont bother wasting their time with sites like this.

play for the fans, not the critics DN these guys are a bunch of clowns.
Nikki_N
QUOTE (DanielNegreanu)
Frankly, I'm a little shocked that people took my actions as being arrogant or innapropriate in any way... Shocked I tell you! :-)


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