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Preflop: Hero is BB with [Th], [9c].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) [Kc], [9d], [9h] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) [6h] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) [Js] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Fucking lucky bastard turns over pocket 6s.

My question is should I have bet out on the flop? Only TWO people in on this flop, this is great a monster hand, why not wait until the turn to take the lead? I check here someone with a king bets or a PP and than I check raise the turn.

I would think that is the optimal move, but every time I let someone catch up to me when I have a monster hand, they pull some shit like that and catch their two outer to beat me.

I can't help but feeling like smooth calling the flop and then c/ring the turn is the best move here, but every time I go for that move, which is rarely, I get fucked right in the ass.
TJ_Eckleburg
At .50/1, no reason not to bet the flop.

You'll be surprised how many people just weakly call you down with all kinds of goofy stuff if you just lead out and re-raise every street.

Think of it this way... if you wake up on the turn, even BAD players know that you have a 9 out of the blinds. Lead the flop, a King raises, you 3-bet the flop... and he's calling 2 more BB on the turn and river. You make a lot more money, chase away sneaky pocket pairs, and have the confidence of playing the hand right.

Don't make it harder or trickier than it has to be. Just keep it simple. Add lots of money to the pot when you're way ahead.
Actuary
bet for value
bet to protect you hand


Your hand is not a monster.
K9 is a monster,
Breaking Liberty
QUOTE (Actuary)
bet for value
bet to protect you hand


Your hand is not a monster.
K9 is a monster,


I am trying to follow your advice.. But.. That calculator is so distracting.

Wtf happened to the hot girl?
screech
QUOTE (Actuary)
bet for value
bet to protect you hand


Your hand is not a monster.
K9 is a monster,


Actuary,

what are you protecting your hand from??

The only hands out there that may wind up beating you have between 2 and 4 outs. They cannot profitably call on the flop in this small pot. Calling protects your hand against these draws. Raising will fold everyone that doesn't have you crushed, and you will likely drag a tiny pot. According to the fundamental theorem, calling gives your opponents the chance to make mistakes, raising will cause them to play accordingly.

PS. Bring back the hot chick.
BilliardsBoy
You can bet the flop here, but I see nothing wrong with how you played.

You're in first position, so checking allows the other players to bet. You just call to induce a call from UTG. Like above poster said, no real threat is visable from at this point.

Then on the turn you raised the bettor, which makes sense to do on any turn. There are now two hearts on the board and some possible strt draws, now is the time to get some more money in the pot.

Then he three bets, you don't have the nuts, so you call and checkcall the river because of the size of the pot. Like you said, it's just unlucky that 66 took a stab on the flop and turned his boat.

Hope your hands hold up more in the future. GL
Actuary
QUOTE (screech)
QUOTE (Actuary)
bet for value
bet to protect you hand


Your hand is not a monster.
K9 is a monster,


Actuary,

what are you protecting your hand from??

The only hands out there that may wind up beating you have between 2 and 4 outs. They cannot profitably call on the flop in this small pot. Calling protects your hand against these draws. Raising will fold everyone that doesn't have you crushed, and you will likely drag a tiny pot. According to the fundamental theorem, calling gives your opponents the chance to make mistakes, raising will cause them to play accordingly.

PS. Bring back the hot chick.



I was suggesting leading out, not raising.
I'm not sure what the word "protect" means..so I shouldn't use it til I do. I guess it only means betting when yuor opponets have odds to call ??

Anyway, I suggest leading for value and not giving and free cards. Players with nothing call on the flop but fold the turn when hand/draws aren't improved

Hot Chick is not work friendly.
screech
QUOTE
I'm not sure what the word "protect" means..so I shouldn't use it til I do. I guess it only means betting when yuor opponets have odds to call ??  


Yeah, I got confused. I thought you meant we should raise this.

"Protect" basically means deny your opponents the odds to call.

Here, I think we can safely check the flop however, and hope someone bets for us. Leading out is too strong, and will usually not get calls from weaker hands like A5.

QUOTE
Hot Chick is not work friendly.


Did you ever consider quitting? I'm too lazy to do the calculations, but I think Hot Chick has a higher EV than work.
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