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JaysonWeber
Dealt Q icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif in the sb headsup against a decent headsup player. I limp in which I rarely do and he checks. We see the flop.

Flop:
K icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif

I check, he bets, I call.

Turn:
4 icon_suit_spade.gif
I check, he bets, I raise..
TJ_Eckleburg
...Call if he 3-bets and check/fold the river UI.

If he calls the raise, lead any river.

What do I win?
109suited
Any more specific reads? I'll make that play a lot against certain opponents but not against others. This is very read dependent. I like TJ's line without a read.
JaysonWeber
Well yeah no real reads, he just seems like a decent player, no big mistakes so far.
Sysvr4
I like it. Represents a big hand by calling the flop and raising the turn, and it also sets up a free showdown. Since your hand does have showdown value now, I think it's a very good play.

Jeff
screech
QUOTE (Sysvr4)
I like it. Represents a big hand by calling the flop and raising the turn, and it also sets up a free showdown. Since your hand does have showdown value now, I think it's a very good play.

Jeff


I like this more if we never had bottom pair, or if we were in position. OOP, I doubt you're getting the free showdown.
JaysonWeber
We're giving him a chance to fold right?
screech
QUOTE (JaysonWeber)
We're giving him a chance to fold right?


True. The turn c/r is a strong move, and he will usually give you credit for a strong hand. He may lay down a 5's. What about a pair of tens?

If he calls, what are your plans on the river (besides hitting the flush)??
Sysvr4
QUOTE (screech)
I like this more if we never had bottom pair, or if we were in position. OOP, I doubt you're getting the free showdown.


I swear I'm going to institute some cutoff where I don't post before a certain time in the morning. I couldn't even remember we were OOP. *sigh* Disregard free showdown stuff... and I probably just call there.

Jeff
JaysonWeber
QUOTE (screech)
QUOTE (JaysonWeber)
We're giving him a chance to fold right?


True. The turn c/r is a strong move, and he will usually give you credit for a strong hand. He may lay down a 5's. What about a pair of tens?

If he calls, what are your plans on the river (besides hitting the flush)??


I figured it was a great spot to do it because I had a LOT of outs with that relatively meaningless turn card. Although, my plan was to only bet out at an improved river. I felt that he wasn't aware enough to bet out w/ a hand that was weaker than a pair of 4's on that river, after my turn checkraise so I opted for a check/fold line if I missed.
akishore
look, metagame is a real issue here.

how often are you c/r turns? how often are you doing it with air versus a real hand versus a semi bluff?

how often does HE think you're c/r turns? how often does HE think you're doing it with air versus a real hand versus a semi bluff?

how are you playing the rivers after c/r the turn?

aseem
econ_tim
flip over your cards and then call lee jones to help negotiate a 40/60 split of the pot
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